Pick the batting order - Another Scenario :D

[mattfb]

Alright, we have a team here, and for some reason the team had the English bowling attack, hence the opposition scoring 367 in their 50 overs. So now your the manager, and you need to reshuffle the team to have depth to get this total.

Pick from these players, what order would you put them at?

Pietersen
Clarke
Dhoni
Kallis
Sangakarra
Chanderpaul
Taylor

England, Australia, India, South Africa, Sri Lanka, West Indies and New Zealand all have a Representative who is a batsmen. So shuffle the order and say why at the end. The selectors have left you with no openers. So what would you do?

Mine:

Kallis
Sangakarra
Chanderpaul
Pietersen
Clarke
Taylor
Dhoni

I picked Kallis and Sangakarra early, because Kallis provides the rock type innings, but he still drives convincingly early in his innings. Sangakarra can score fast, and I feel this would be a good opening partnership because both batsmen can score fast during the powerplay overs and not get out

Chanderpaul comes in at 3 to have time to play himself in. He's very hard to get out when he gets in, so we need to give him time. Pietersen has the number 4 spot because he is so destructive. Their is a possibility that the top 3 might not get off to the quickest start so Pietersen speeds things up. Clarke comes in at 5, to provide the singles whilst one of the top 4 keep hitting.

Taylor and Dhoni come in as the last of the batsmen under the role to slog. Dhoni is last, as he has the ability to come in and just hit big.

Discuss.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Shiv
Sanga
Dhoni
KP
Clarke
Taylor
Kallis


Shiv and Sanga will face off the new ball, Sanga will score quickly.

Dhoni in at number 3 to tear the bowling attack apart, play another one of his 183* innings.

KP at 4 for the same reason, although he'll be allowed to take his time and will have to bat through the innings.

Clarke is a decent hitter, but better at taking quick runs, and will slip in at 5 when things are getting shaky.

Taylor at 6 for the final, finishing touches. The final onslaught if we need one.

Kallis at 7 cause that man doesn't have an attacking bone in his body. His experience, at most, will help keep Taylor calm.


Might be worth shifting Taylor and Dhoni around, but I want to finish this quick and early, blaze like 275 in 35 overs.

 

[mukund_nadkarni]

Kallis
Sangakarra
Chanderpaul
Pieterson
Clarke
Taylor
Dhoni

Same here. I haven't seen Taylor bat, so I really don't know about that. Also, maybe I'll send Pietersen in ahead of Chanderpaul if Sangakarra is the one out before Kallis, especially if it's the power-play.

 

[King Pietersen]

Dhoni
Sangakkara
Kallis
PietersEn (get it right Matt ;p)
Chanderpaul
Clarke
Taylor

Open up with Dhoni and Sangakkara, both will get you off to a flyer, and both have had some experience of opening in ODi's I think. Well Sangakkara's got more experience, and a decent record, whereas Dhoni did it on 2 ocassions, making 92 in on of them. Then I went with Jacques Kallis, he will provide the stability if an early wicket goes down. Then Pietersen in his specialist position of 4 to up the run rate once more, but also help to rebuild if the 2 openers fall quickly. Then the other 2 follow in that order, with the better player in Clarke batting above the inconsistent Taylor.

Pretty strange choice of players though Matt. No specialist opener, but I suppose you had to pick 1 player from every nation. I'd have possibly considered Brendon McCullum from New Zealand, to open up with Sangakkara, with Clarke moving down to 7 and Dhoni at 6. McCullum has proven for Otago and in the IPL that he can make big scores in OD games, and he's a fantastically attacking batsman, and considering the pitch has already brought 367 runs he'd be perfect! So I'd have gone for something like:

McCullum
Sangakkara
Kallis
Pietersen
Chanderpaul
Dhoni
Clarke

Would have a far better chance of chasing the total I think, although if we were taking out the national restrictions, a line-up of:

Bell
Trott
Shah
Pietersen
Flintoff
Bopara
Foster

Would do an even better job, probably knock those runs off in about 35 overs

 

[mattfb]

At first I had Gayle in their for Chanderpaul, and McCullum for Taylor but I felt that made it a little obvious so I decided to make it a bit more interesting providing no openers. I feel opinions will vary much more this way, which has already been shown. McCullum probably could have hit 300 of thee runs () so I decided to remove the specialist openers.

I considered putting Dhoni up the top, but I put him last because I reckon if someone else stays in for a decent period of time, like KP, with Dhoni coming in at the end you could probably score 12 or 13 runs an over in the last 10 overs which means 120-130 runs at the end. Take that off the 368 and your chasing 238 runs in 40 overs = just under 6 an over.

With McCullum their, Clarke at 7 isn't ideal. If McCullum fails which their is a 50% chance imo when he's going hard for runs, and/or the team loses a few early wickets a late order assault is necessary, something Clarke can't provide to the extent of other players.

Clarke really isn't handy in a situation like this, but if he could find his One Day from of around 05/06 etc where he was scoring 60 or 70 not out's at a strike rate of close tom 100 it was ideal. We could chase down targets with ease. But I feel now a day's it's less likely to happen. Same with Huss.

Argh, I thought I had been writing Pietersen, when I write it my finger just goes straight to that 'o'

 

[max_dillon2007]

Well mine wud be:
Sehwag
Gibbs
Sanga
K.P
Ryder
M.r Cricket

well, if both sehwag and gibbs click, then we have a party. The score cud be chased by 40th over itself. I am surprised dat none of u hav hussey in the team.

Though if in form here is my list(consist recently retired players and soon to be retired):

Sachin
Jayasuriya
Haydos
Gilly
Roy
K.P

 

[mattfb]

lol, they were picking from the players I provided

 

[max_dillon2007]

Well, i loved the second combination i hve posted.If they all fire at full throttle then even 500 in 50 wont be safe.

 

[Precambrian]

Illogical selection of players to work with first of all. Kallis and Clarke should not be in such a side first of all. Anyway, my lineup would be

Sangakarra
Taylor
Chanderpaul
Dhoni
Pietersen
Taylor
Kallis
Clarke

Logic is simple. Giving Clarke or Kallis a go early in the innings would mean slowing down of the run rate, and would will be negative value addition. I regarded them as just bonuses so relegated them down the order.

Now, the question would be who should open? You cannot have two accumulators at the top for such a chase. So I went for Taylor, who can get the innings to a flying start, and Sanga, who can find the gaps and provide some solidity.

Chanders need time to settle in, however once he gets going, he can score well over 100 SR, and can play the long innings as well. So I'd get in him at No.3.

Dhoni is an excellent ODI batsman, probably the best in the world at the moment, and he can play the slog as well as the accumulating innings. So he comes in at No.4

Pietersen too is a fine ODI batsman and gets in at No.5. He can hit the ball a long way.

The top 5 should have won the match by now, so no need for the rest 2. In case the situation is like say 20 or 30 runs needed, Kallis can go and have a hit.

 

[SciD]

Chanderpaul
Taylor
Kallis
Sangakarra
Clarke
Pietersen
Dhoni

Chanderpaul has opened most than anyone even combined. Also he will not waste anything down the order then.
Taylor has license to slog sweep to century coming as openor.
Rest steady batters with Dhoni and Pietersen killing at end in last powerplay.

Result 1 in 100000000000 this side will win in any combination.

Needed this
Warner
Sehwag
opening combo to win.

 

[mattfb]

That's the point. How boring if I give you guys Gibbs, Warner, McCullum, Gayle etc.

 

[karnog]

Well we need 367 off 50 overs. Here goes:
Chanderpaul
Taylor
Sangakara
Pietersen
Dhoni
Clarke
Kallis
Quick start + consistency then comes in a fine player who can continue play the duol role of accumulator and dasher then comes in my beloved middle order: Pietersen and Dhoni can get us past 300 with Clarke finishing it off with Dhoni. Kallis is the back up.

If we were chasing 181 then i'd pick:
Chanderpaul
Sangakara
Kallis
Pietersen
Dhoni
Clarke
Taylor

Consistency with a dual player then comes Kallis who is very consistent, Pietersen and Dhoni should take us over the line but if either fails then Clarke and Taylor have the temperament to finish it off.

 

[deerkick]

Damn Karnog, I was gonna pick the exact same lineup haha. Although I thought about Clarke before Dhoni at first, but then decided against it.

 

[TheGreemSim]

Sangakarra
Chanderpaul
Kallis
Taylor
Dhoni
Pietersen

Sangakara and Chanderpaul openign because they both have a small bit of opening experience Next Kallis incase of an early wicket and because he's used to being 1st drop. Then Taylor and Dhoni for some big hitting with Pietersen to finish it off.

 

[Dare]

I will go with

Dhoni
Chanderpaul
Kallis
Pietersen
Taylor
Clarke
Sanga