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Which overseas country would be best to settle in ? Most probably , looking for practical answers .
 
Naman Thakur said:
Which overseas country would be best to settle in ? Most probably , looking for practical answers .
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Not USA for sure. Its not because of Trump but let me share something. I have been in USA for over 5 years now. I am doing my Masters along with 20 hour of work. I will legally still have 4 more years of stay which will bring me closer to 10 years in USA. Now as an immigrant what we do? Enter USA either for Masters(95%) or Bachelors(5%). If you are doing Masters you are easily spending $50000 which as you know in INR would be multiplies by 65 or so. Now once you graduate you have 3 years of work visa called Optional Practical Training and provided you graduate from Science Technology Engineering Maths(STEM). If your field of studies is from something else you will only get 1 year. In either 1 or 3 years depending on your field you get 1 to 3 attempts to apply for H1 visas which will give you 3 year work visa. Now H1 visas as many of you know is employee sponsored. Employee will have to shell out $5000 + to get you a place in a computer generated lottery. You might Einstein and still not be picked is the case now a days.

Now lets assume you get H1 and you invest 3 years more that brings you up to 2 years of Masters + 2 years of Optional Practical Training + 3 years of H1 that is 7 years invested. Now if your company likes your work they can extend H1 for another and final 3 years. Assume you get that too which brings you to 10 years investment in United States. Lets assume you come here to US when you are 24, this means you will be 34 when your H1, OPT everything is completed.

Now next step, lets assume your company while you are doing H1 applies for your Green card(Permanent Residence in some countries). Having done Masters you will be put into EB2 category which for Indians specially takes 10 years to process. Which means even if you applied GC after 1st H1 period you will still need something to do for 7 years after you end and use your H1 period of 6 years. Company may or may not wait for you to get a GC for 10 years.


This is all happy path and now just think what if you dont get H1 as its random and computer generated. After your Masters + 3 years of OPT you will be 29 years of age what next for you?

The immigration system is flawed here in USA. It was good for folks who came in here in early 2000's. For me I was lucky, I came to USA in 2012 for my Bachelors. Completed in 2014 and worked for 3 years. I did not get the happy path as my H1 was not picked for 3 consecutive years (since its random computer lottery). I am doing my Masters now. I had an option to complete higher education since I just did Masters. I came to USA when I was 20 so I was lucky I am still 25 and doing Masters. Some people who come directly for Masters and dont get selected are doing second third masters. Mind you, if you have done one masters you do not get OPT work permit for second or consecutive masters. So people who are greedy to just stay in USA are just making their own life miserable by doing 2nd and 3rd masters. If I ever came into that situation I will not hesitate even once to come back to India.

That was a long post, hope it helps
 
But then as I said it depends on what you're looking for Europe has it's ups and downs And Australia is pretty cool... However, people talk about Canada being very cool so always best to do some travelling if single and do some fact finding.
 
SweetCaroline said:
But then as I said it depends on what you're looking for Europe has it's ups and downs And Australia is pretty cool... However, people talk about Canada being very cool so always best to do some travelling if single and do some fact finding.
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Definitely it depends on which continent he is looking for. Which overseas country is a broad question and needs some refinement. I would say Canada in terms of immigration policy followed by Australia. UK absolutely does not allow Indian immigrants now days to even stay 1 day after the study is completed. Not sure about other European Countries.
 
Freedom said:
Definitely it depends on which continent he is looking for. Which overseas country is a broad question and needs some refinement. I would say Canada in terms of immigration policy followed by Australia. UK absolutely does not allow Indian immigrants now days to even stay 1 day after the study is completed. Not sure about other European Countries.
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Try the UK after exit from Europe I hope they (we) re-engage with the commonwealth.
 
Freedom said:
Not USA for sure. Its not because of Trump but let me share something. I have been in USA for over 5 years now. I am doing my Masters along with 20 hour of work. I will legally still have 4 more years of stay which will bring me closer to 10 years in USA. Now as an immigrant what we do? Enter USA either for Masters(95%) or Bachelors(5%). If you are doing Masters you are easily spending $50000 which as you know in INR would be multiplies by 65 or so. Now once you graduate you have 3 years of work visa called Optional Practical Training and provided you graduate from Science Technology Engineering Maths(STEM). If your field of studies is from something else you will only get 1 year. In either 1 or 3 years depending on your field you get 1 to 3 attempts to apply for H1 visas which will give you 3 year work visa. Now H1 visas as many of you know is employee sponsored. Employee will have to shell out $5000 + to get you a place in a computer generated lottery. You might Einstein and still not be picked is the case now a days.

Now lets assume you get H1 and you invest 3 years more that brings you up to 2 years of Masters + 2 years of Optional Practical Training + 3 years of H1 that is 7 years invested. Now if your company likes your work they can extend H1 for another and final 3 years. Assume you get that too which brings you to 10 years investment in United States. Lets assume you come here to US when you are 24, this means you will be 34 when your H1, OPT everything is completed.

Now next step, lets assume your company while you are doing H1 applies for your Green card(Permanent Residence in some countries). Having done Masters you will be put into EB2 category which for Indians specially takes 10 years to process. Which means even if you applied GC after 1st H1 period you will still need something to do for 7 years after you end and use your H1 period of 6 years. Company may or may not wait for you to get a GC for 10 years.


This is all happy path and now just think what if you dont get H1 as its random and computer generated. After your Masters + 3 years of OPT you will be 29 years of age what next for you?

The immigration system is flawed here in USA. It was good for folks who came in here in early 2000's. For me I was lucky, I came to USA in 2012 for my Bachelors. Completed in 2014 and worked for 3 years. I did not get the happy path as my H1 was not picked for 3 consecutive years (since its random computer lottery). I am doing my Masters now. I had an option to complete higher education since I just did Masters. I came to USA when I was 20 so I was lucky I am still 25 and doing Masters. Some people who come directly for Masters and dont get selected are doing second third masters. Mind you, if you have done one masters you do not get OPT work permit for second or consecutive masters. So people who are greedy to just stay in USA are just making their own life miserable by doing 2nd and 3rd masters. If I ever came into that situation I will not hesitate even once to come back to India.

That was a long post, hope it helps
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I would say New Zealand......very, very nice place to live and work......
 
Dutch said:
I would say New Zealand......very, very nice place to live and work......
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One of my cousin speaks such high of New Zealand. For me its personally it would become a big move from North America to Oceania. If I ever had to make a decision to move to another country other then India I would select Canada because of the closeness to America. Also left hand drive :p. I cannot imagine driving in India after having driven in USA for close to 3 years now.
 
Freedom said:
One of my cousin speaks such high of New Zealand. For me its personally it would become a big move from North America to Oceania. If I ever had to make a decision to move to another country other then India I would select Canada because of the closeness to America. Also left hand drive :p. I cannot imagine driving in India after having driven in USA for close to 3 years now.
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NZ is left hand drive iirc??
 
Dutch said:
NZ is left hand drive iirc??
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My bad yes, NZ is left hand drive. But as I also mentioned changing continents is a big for any one especially I have jumped from Asian to American. Also I am pretty sure the culture difference will be there. The only one reason I would love to shift to NZ or UK or Australia would be for cricket. I can atleast watch and follow a country on television. Even if USA plays they dont broadcast here which sucks.
 
Dutch said:
I would say New Zealand......very, very nice place to live and work......
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Err... No idea... ? You mean Tasmania... ? Nice place odd, but small gene pool...

If you're angry with me then okay I concede NZ is a nice place.
 
Freedom said:
My bad yes, NZ is left hand drive. But as I also mentioned changing continents is a big for any one especially I have jumped from Asian to American. Also I am pretty sure the culture difference will be there. The only one reason I would love to shift to NZ or UK or Australia would be for cricket. I can atleast watch and follow a country on television. Even if USA plays they dont broadcast here which sucks.
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New Zealand has a great climate and great nature and a great sense of humour and the people are genuinely friendly....I lived and worked their for quite a few years and always love going back on my commercial trips.....
 
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