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El Loco

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Hmm...interesting one here. A bowler is legally allowed to take a practice runup. That's not in dispute, it's written. But the pitch will take spin. And you find that the opposition captain rotates his quick bowlers often at one end, all of whom which do a practice runup before each spell. This seems to scuff the pitch up for the spinner at the other end, who has actually bowled unchanged for some time now. Can you do anything?

(EDIT: A practice runup actually isn't particularly subject to all the rules regarding regular runups, you know.)
Surely a bowler can do a practice run up on the field without having to reach the pitch and scuff it? Just stand up a bit farther back than you usually would while bowling. Sounds like a more subtle way of doing what Shahid Afridi got done for back in the day.
 

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But...a practice runup is technically legal, once the bowler informs the umpire. It's not a ball, it's not a dead ball...it's just...nothing. It falls under...well, there isn't a Law against it...

The umpire can ask the bowler to do his practice off the pitch but the bowler is well within his rights to say that it's not of any help if he can't do a warmup run on the real pitch.
 

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In the IPL yesterday, MS Dhoni was extremely angry about the final over. The standing umpire signalled no ball but the square leg umpire was unmoved. Dhoni took to the field (about 1 or 2 balls after he was dismissed, just BTW...in my opinion crossing into the field of play without being signalled is 5 penalty runs). He began to speak to the umpires, you could lip read him saying, "He said no ball".

It's never official until the scorers record it. End of discussion. Signals on the field are not for the crowd, not for TV, they are for the scorers. And scorers only record when the ball is dead.

EDIT: It wasn't a no ball in any case.

DOUBLE EDIT: Umpires need to throw their status around a LOT more in these kinds of games. Dhoni had NO RIGHT to just walk onto the field just like that, captain or otherwise.
 
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But...a practice runup is technically legal, once the bowler informs the umpire. It's not a ball, it's not a dead ball...it's just...nothing. It falls under...well, there isn't a Law against it...

The umpire can ask the bowler to do his practice off the pitch but the bowler is well within his rights to say that it's not of any help if he can't do a warmup run on the real pitch.
Had no idea it was common practice to deliberately scuff the pitch by doing this. Have you ever heard of anybody complain about bowlers doing practice run-ups on the pitch? I guess if it's legal then at the end of the day they are in their rights to do it despite their intentions.

In the IPL yesterday, MS Dhoni was extremely angry about the final over. The standing umpire signalled no ball but the square leg umpire was unmoved. Dhoni took to the field (about 1 or 2 balls after he was dismissed, just BTW...in my opinion crossing into the field of play without being signalled is 5 penalty runs). He began to speak to the umpires, you could lip read him saying, "He said no ball".

It's never official until the scorers record it. End of discussion. Signals on the field are not for the crowd, not for TV, they are for the scorers. And scorers only record when the ball is dead.

EDIT: It wasn't a no ball in any case.

DOUBLE EDIT: Umpires need to throw their status around a LOT more in these kinds of games. Dhoni had NO RIGHT to just walk onto the field just like that, captain or otherwise.
Walking on to the field from the bench is definitely not on, he deserved to be penalised for that for sure.
Isn't it the standing umpire that determines a no-ball and only him though? What part does the square leg umpire play in determining a no-ball? Does he have to relay the decision to the scorers or something?
 

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It can be either end. But in the early days of television, it became the end where the cameras were set up. In most historical grounds it's just convention, but it can actually be any end.
 

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A batsman, given out, refuses to leave the field of play. What do you do?
The Umpires should try and convince the player then. If the case gets worse Match referee can interrupt. The match can even get abandoned in such cases. If it is a tournament the opposition team should get the point.
 

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