Any one an off spinner In here?

[sohum]

Prolifically successful? Only Murali. And you will notice that Saqlain was only good until his doosra became his only delivery. But it was still his variation that fetched him wickets. I maintain that anyone can bowl off-spin--it is not technically difficult. But to be a good off-spin bowler you need to possess a range of deliveries.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Like I said, a doosra isn't important. Control your flight, bowl the arm ball and get the quicker one in. I only bowl off spin in my building as I can't bowl spin very well at all on a normal sized pitch(hence taking up Right Arm Medium) Changing your grip here and there helps, like gripping it tightly and spreading your fingers for one ball, and then holding it like a seamer for the next. Also tossing in a leg spinner instead of a doosra is even better, as it spins more, and with good concealment, is more effective.
This is what I do atleast(imagine all the variations in my meagre two overs of spin per match). I am no proffesional, but I am still entitled to my opinion.

 

[indiancricketer]

i can give you some advice if your a leg spinner and do many googles then i can help you also it has to be with a hard ball for the spin

 

[sohum]

Zorax, I beg to differ and I certainly give you right to your opinion (unlike others here, who are on a binary system--you're either a professional or not). I think the doosra can become a very effective tool if used sparingly. However, one must also realize that at most junior levels of cricket, including informal cricket, batsmen are not really looking at the direction of the spin while hitting the ball.

Such thinking only goes into batting at a higher level. So in that scenario, yes, varying speed and flight will be more successful. The problem with tossing in a leg-spinner is it is significantly different than an off-spinner's action (or mine is, anyhow). And you also need to have great control over a leg-spin, or it may just become a full toss like Sachin Tendulkar often bowls.

 

[fardin]

You guys keep talking and I will keep taking wickets as an off spinner,The season have just started and I am getting alot of wickets,

Last sunday batting wasnt in my way but bowling was I have taken 3 wickets bowling only 3 overs can you imagine?I compeletly sweep the talienders pluse an all rounder cut them apart with flight and loop look at it your self.

By the way the name is fardin,It was a very good pitch for spinners.but dont worry zorax i have still 13 games to go batting will improve bowling has already.

check it out
http://valleycricketers.org/cgi-bin/valleycc/dscore-pl.cgi?file=20050501&mtype=2005

 

[ronny_kingsley]

Zorax, I beg to differ and I certainly give you right to your opinion (unlike others here, who are on a binary system--you're either a professional or not). I think the doosra can become a very effective tool if used sparingly. However, one must also realize that at most junior levels of cricket, including informal cricket, batsmen are not really looking at the direction of the spin while hitting the ball.

Such thinking only goes into batting at a higher level. So in that scenario, yes, varying speed and flight will be more successful. The problem with tossing in a leg-spinner is it is significantly different than an off-spinner's action (or mine is, anyhow). And you also need to have great control over a leg-spin, or it may just become a full toss like Sachin Tendulkar often bowls.

I beg to differ .Just cos u dont find leggies easy doesnt mean its difficult for others .Its just that legspin is tiring for the bowler .And control is concerned dude u need to have it for offies as well.

Also u said prolific succses as Murali .Dude then how many leggies other than Warney have been sucsesfull ?????Dont count Kumble to it cos hes not a leegie in the true sense.

We had infact two Saq and Murali how many do u have to advocate leggie ?

 

[sohum]

Thank you for proving my point! Leg-spinners are not prolifically successful because leg-spinners are DIFFICULT to bowl. Warne is good at it and thus he is successful. Every Tom, Dick or Harry cannot walk up and bowl leg-spin which is why the batsmen of the world do not have as much experience playing them.

As for control in leg spin vs. off spin, I suggest you pick up a ball and try to bowl each. You will find that off-spin is much easier to control whereas leg-spin is harder. This is because leg-spinners come out on a rotated wrist or the latter fingers of the hand, which do not have the support of the stronger thumb. Off-spinners can keep pitching it in the same place over and over again. Leg-spinners have much more difficulty doing that.

 

[fardin]

Thank you for proving my point! Leg-spinners are not prolifically successful because leg-spinners are DIFFICULT to bowl. Warne is good at it and thus he is successful. Every Tom, Dick or Harry cannot walk up and bowl leg-spin which is why the batsmen of the world do not have as much experience playing them.

As for control in leg spin vs. off spin, I suggest you pick up a ball and try to bowl each. You will find that off-spin is much easier to control whereas leg-spin is harder. This is because leg-spinners come out on a rotated wrist or the latter fingers of the hand, which do not have the support of the stronger thumb. Off-spinners can keep pitching it in the same place over and over again. Leg-spinners have much more difficulty doing that.

Ronney sohum is right,I am a leg spinner and also an off spinner,I find it harder to control the length and the line bowling leg spinn where if i try to bowl off spin it is much more easier,

Ronny,Dont try to prove anything else because I am the one who bowls leg and off so my openion does make a difference .

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Zorax, I beg to differ and I certainly give you right to your opinion (unlike others here, who are on a binary system--you're either a professional or not). I think the doosra can become a very effective tool if used sparingly. However, one must also realize that at most junior levels of cricket, including informal cricket, batsmen are not really looking at the direction of the spin while hitting the ball.

Such thinking only goes into batting at a higher level. So in that scenario, yes, varying speed and flight will be more successful. The problem with tossing in a leg-spinner is it is significantly different than an off-spinner's action (or mine is, anyhow). And you also need to have great control over a leg-spin, or it may just become a full toss like Sachin Tendulkar often bowls.

Actually I find that varying the pace and flight helps even in street cricket. Just bowl a few flat ones, and then toss one up. They often get into the shot a bit early and just bob the ball up into the air.
Also tossing in a legspinner isn't that hard. Just adjust your grip before you bowl. The action dosen't change all that much, and if you are playing junior level of street cricket they are hardly going to notice, the ball just turns the wrong way. At least it works for me(maybe because I used to bowl legspinners before switching to RM).

 

[ronny_kingsley]

Ronney sohum is right,I am a leg spinner and also an off spinner,I find it harder to control the length and the line bowling leg spinn where if i try to bowl off spin it is much more easier,

Ronny,Dont try to prove anything else because I am the one who bowls leg and off so my openion does make a difference .

Listen dude have u heard of Cooch Behar Trophy . I have played that .

Somebody let him know what that is all about and I think that would be just a bit level higher than what u play .

Even I do what ssohum says that is rolling arms over for offies .Also what I meant was that its easy comparatively but for good offies its not that easy as he said.

 

[sohum]

I have no clue what the Cooch Behar Trophy is so I cannot enlighten Fardin what that is all about.

And @Zorax I was actually agreeing with you about the street cricket and flight/pace variation. The first sentence of my second paragraph should have basically been the last of my previous. So I was saying that the doosra works in high level whereas variation in pace/flight works in street cricket.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

And @Zorax I was actually agreeing with you about the street cricket and flight/pace variation. The first sentence of my second paragraph should have basically been the last of my previous. So I was saying that the doosra works in high level whereas variation in pace/flight works in street cricket.

Oh. Let me read that again...

 

[fardin]

Listen dude have u heard of Cooch Behar Trophy . I have played that .

Somebody let him know what that is all about and I think that would be just a bit level higher than what u play .

Even I do what ssohum says that is rolling arms over for offies .Also what I meant was that its easy comparatively but for good offies its not that easy as he said.

Dude have you heard of NCCA league,No body knows what is cooche what ever the name is,Go check www.cricket.org go to usa and click on leagues and you will find out more about NCCA and The player who use to play for Ranji Trophy and those players are amazing they are great players indeed.

Dont try to be all That,because If you werent away I would have certinly challanged your knowledge of cricket face to face,

 

[jwalits]

Firstly just a short back-ground in cricket:
I current play in the Newcastle (located 2 hrs North of Sydney) Distrcit competition......For the last 4 seasons I have been playing 1st grade.........I played my junior cricket in Toowoomba (in Queensland, near Brisbane). Throughout juniors I used to bowl medium-pace. I got selected in the Queensland Development Squad in U/14 (so about 7 years ago). Then we moved to Newcastle, where the coaches thought I was a better batsman than a bowler, so I got a massive promotion in the batting order (from 9,10,11 to 3!!!!) and wasn't getting much bowling, so in nets I started bowling off-spin and the team didn't have a spinner at the time, so I started bowling in matches as well, so since then I have bowled off-spin....

My Philosophy as an off-spinner:
As an off-spiner I think you have to rely a bit more on flight and deception rather than spin (as is the case with leg-spinner). I think the best wicket an off-spinner can have is getting a batsman caught & bowled when he is trying to play a cover-drive......that basically shows you have beaten him in the flight and he wasn't able to get to the pitch of the ball. I am always delighted to get a batsman out that way.

My Experiences as an off-spinner:
I personally feel that in Australia captains are relectant to use spinners (I'm talking about in domestic competitions). This can be seen in the fact that after Warne and MacGill there are no quality spinners in this country.....I am talking from personal experience.....3 seasons ago I won the trophy the highest wickets in the Under 23 competition, but season after I hardly got bowling and was basically was just used on a part-time/casual basis......and I have seen this is many other clubs in Newcastle as well, so you can see that why no quality spinners are coming up......the captains need to have bit more faith in spinners and thats why Australia will struggle in the future as there are no quality spinners coming up..

 

[fardin]

Firstly just a short back-ground in cricket:
I current play in the Newcastle (located 2 hrs North of Sydney) Distrcit competition......For the last 4 seasons I have been playing 1st grade.........I played my junior cricket in Toowoomba (in Queensland, near Brisbane). Throughout juniors I used to bowl medium-pace. I got selected in the Queensland Development Squad in U/14 (so about 7 years ago). Then we moved to Newcastle, where the coaches thought I was a better batsman than a bowler, so I got a massive promotion in the batting order (from 9,10,11 to 3!!!!) and wasn't getting much bowling, so in nets I started bowling off-spin and the team didn't have a spinner at the time, so I started bowling in matches as well, so since then I have bowled off-spin....

My Philosophy as an off-spinner:
As an off-spiner I think you have to rely a bit more on flight and deception rather than spin (as is the case with leg-spinner). I think the best wicket an off-spinner can have is getting a batsman caught & bowled when he is trying to play a cover-drive......that basically shows you have beaten him in the flight and he wasn't able to get to the pitch of the ball. I am always delighted to get a batsman out that way.

My Experiences as an off-spinner:
I personally feel that in Australia captains are relectant to use spinners (I'm talking about in domestic competitions). This can be seen in the fact that after Warne and MacGill there are no quality spinners in this country.....I am talking from personal experience.....3 seasons ago I won the trophy the highest wickets in the Under 23 competition, but season after I hardly got bowling and was basically was just used on a part-time/casual basis......and I have seen this is many other clubs in Newcastle as well, so you can see that why no quality spinners are coming up......the captains need to have bit more faith in spinners and thats why Australia will struggle in the future as there are no quality spinners coming up..

Exactly right,But I more rely on Loop to get the batsman make that casual mistake playing an off spinner,I loop the ball more Then I flight it,because I come at the stage were only 10 or 12 overs are left,So I am more succesfull in picking more wickets then any other spinner in the team,Last 12 overs batsman are more ken in going after the spinners and that Is a good thing for me,When they are looking to go after me I loop the ball and It spins abit and when a batsman intends to go after me They get out mainly because I loop the ball with not that much pace on it and Top edges and gets caught some were near the boundry,


You can see that match I got two batsman caught off my bowling and They made the mistake That I have mentioned above,more or less I will be the bowler who will be picking wickets regurlarly because batsman are ken in going after the 6 bowler and to go with being an off spinner even makes my job easier to pick wickets,I believe if you can give the ball abit loop and at the same time flight it you will be more succesfull in picking wickets variation also plays a part in picking wickets,

Here is my weapon as an off spinner picking wickets,

Flight
variation
Loop
pace
spin
Etc