sid_19840
International Coach
More than stats Id see the atitude in each of them during a test.Giles is defensive and hardly attacks or looks to pick wickets which is just the opposite with Panesar.Wickets are the main aspect for tests.
What about First Class?andrew_nixon said:Fair enough. Let's look at career bowling averages in England then shall we?
Panesar in England: 21.00
Giles in England: 43.11
Giles does not perform well on tracks that don't aid him. He is not consistent enough with the bat to warrant his poor bowling performances.
Giles was told to bowl in that way to rotate the seamers, whereas Panesar is being used differently, it's not as if either of them have a choice, they're just told how to bowl, to a certain extent.sid_19840 said:More than stats Id see the atitude in each of them during a test.Giles is defensive and hardly attacks or looks to pick wickets which is just the opposite with Panesar.Wickets are the main aspect for tests.
Hmmandrew_nixon said:Panesar: 29.952
Giles: 29.054
Not that big a difference really is it?
Sureshot said:When Jones plays against Kaneria or Afridi tomorrow he'll play the sweep and he'll more than likely he'll get out by them.
I may be brutal, I just wish the selectors would be, especially going on the stat Andrew posted on Jones average since his Kiwi Hundred.
Why play a keeper who is supposedly in the team for his batting who averages 23 for the best part of 2 years and is a liability behind the stumps?
MUFC1987 said:Panesar averages 60 away from home with the ball. Oh, look, I can be selective to prove a point as well.
MUFC1987 said:You can't drop a record breaking wicket-keeper though. :shout
Does Irony normally pass you by?evertonfan said:He has had only one tour!! How can you use that point as any sort of argument?
Incidently, Geraint Jones scored more today than Chris Read averages in Test matches, all this with pressure on him to score quickly as well.If you are talking about the 'no-ducks' record, then that isn't really anything to write home about. I'd much rather he had a duck every other innings, but in between those ducks was a 50 or a 100.
I was talking about averages in England.MUFC1987 said:
Incidently, Chris Read scored 150 last week against Pakistan, with Pakistan having a stronger attack. All this with pressure on him to try and get his place in the test side back.MUFC1987 said:Incidently, Geraint Jones scored more today than Chris Read averages in Test matches, all this with pressure on him to score quickly as well.
MUFC1987 said:Does Irony normally pass you by?
Incidently, Geraint Jones scored more today than Chris Read averages in Test matches, all this with pressure on him to score quickly as well.
Exactly, if Panesar had a better average you could put it down to him not taking as many wickets. But Giles has a better average over 8 years of Cricket, that is pretty special.andrew_nixon said:And of course Giles has more wickets than Panesar. He's been playing 8 years longer!
MUFC1987 said:Exactly, if Panesar had a better average you could put it down to him not taking as many wickets. But Giles has a better average over 8 years of Cricket, that is pretty special.
Ah, but he hasn't maintained his average. Since Panesar made his debut, in all first class cricket, Panesar averages 30.52. In the same time period, Giles averages 34.096. Giles has got worse since the Pakistan tour of 2000, which was the peak of his career, and the one time he was a match-winning bowler at test level.MUFC1987 said:Exactly, if Panesar had a better average you could put it down to him not taking as many wickets. But Giles has a better average over 8 years of Cricket, that is pretty special.
My word, that is a poor effort at a joke.evertonfan said:Well there is a bus driver called George Irony around where I live; he drives the 22 from Eccleston and that passes by my house all the time.