Can we get some new umpires?

[Kev]

No I didn't watch the match. But I don't need to. Ok there may have been some "bad" decisions and I understand that people get frustrated by this. But its not easy to get onto the Elite panel, its not easy to get on the International Panel, its not easy to become a first Class umpire. It's not an easy job. Have you tried it? You sit there watching your tv sets and your replays and you bitch and moan everytime an umpire gets something wrong. Maybe the umpires have underperformed but they do a tough job and they deserve some credit and they bloody well are accountable.

 

[Cricketman]

These were the statistics recorded from the ICC when they monitor umpire decisions.

Of course, the ICC would support their umps. Robo, why don't we take in Sohum's little "project" and test it out for today's play. I"m sure it'll be much lower then 90% accurate.

Any appeal against India and Steve will have his hand up in a flash.

 

[Harrypotter_fan]

For Kev, if it is legal:

And if you can call that not-out, I've got nothing more to say.

 

[RoboRocks]

Of course, the ICC would support their umps. Robo, why don't we take in Sohum's little "project" and test it out for today's play. I"m sure it'll be much lower then 90% accurate.

Any appeal against India and Steve will have his hand up in a flash.

I would of thought with International matches played that they would be honest with everyone about it and it isn't fair to say that about Steve Bucknor just because he made a mistake.

 

[Cricketman]

No I didn't watch the match. But I don't need to. Ok there may have been some "bad" decisions and I understand that people get frustrated by this. But its not easy to get onto the Elite panel, its not easy to get on the International Panel, its not easy to become a first Class umpire. It's not an easy job. Have you tried it? You sit there watching your tv sets and your replays and you bitch and moan everytime an umpire gets something wrong. Maybe the umpires have underperformed but they do a tough job and they deserve some credit and they bloody well are accountable.

But these guys are specially trained to make the BEST choice, to NOT make bad decisions. You say that its hard to get on the "Elite" Panel, well these guys are on it. Shouldn't they at least be good at their job, after going through the first-class, international, and finally this specific league of umpiring,and being chosen by the ICC as the best of the best?

You didn't watch this game. 2 of the BIGGEST edges to the keeper you'll see. Two of the most spontaneous reactions from the fielders, two guilty faces turned back to look at the keeper.
Even Rahul Dravid was ticked off!

 

[sohum]

No I didn't watch the match. But I don't need to. Ok there may have been some "bad" decisions and I understand that people get frustrated by this. But its not easy to get onto the Elite panel, its not easy to get on the International Panel, its not easy to become a first Class umpire. It's not an easy job. Have you tried it? You sit there watching your tv sets and your replays and you bitch and moan everytime an umpire gets something wrong. Maybe the umpires have underperformed but they do a tough job and they deserve some credit and they bloody well are accountable.

Right... this argument. So why do you bitch if your car stops working? Or if your computer crashes? Do you know how to build a computer or fix a car? Well if you don't, then you better stop bitching because a lot of people put a lot of hard work into that task. These people are professional umpires. I have no problems with umpires missing a few, especially when I see how they could get it wrong. For example, I fully understand how Yuvraj could have been given out, or many of the decisions where the bat hovers around other parts of the body and it is not immediately obvious what it hit. It's not easy, but they are being paid a ton for it.

Besides that it is much easier to get on the Elite Panel than to be dropped from it. Asoka de Silva had to be a substandard umpire for almost 2-3 years before he was finally axes from it. Steve Bucknor has shown that his umpiring is clearly fading. In fact there was an article in Cricinfo I found during some initial research that noted Bucknor's many mistakes during India's last tour to Australia.

And if you didn't watch the match, you really don't have any contextual understanding of the situation. It is easy to claim the moral high ground and say, "Well you're just sad or angry because your team is at the wrong end of the stick." However, there are distinctions that must be made between umpiring mistakes. There are mistakes that are acceptable because one can understand how the umpire is confused. A third umpire making a mistake is not acceptable.

 

[Ollie_H]

No I didn't watch the match. But I don't need to. Ok there may have been some "bad" decisions and I understand that people get frustrated by this. But its not easy to get onto the Elite panel, its not easy to get on the International Panel, its not easy to become a first Class umpire. It's not an easy job. Have you tried it? You sit there watching your tv sets and your replays and you bitch and moan everytime an umpire gets something wrong. Maybe the umpires have underperformed but they do a tough job and they deserve some credit and they bloody well are accountable.

I agree with what you say. But you need to see the Symonds stumping decision which goes to the third umpire. The third umpire does basically nothing all day apart from watch a bit of cricket. Maybe check the over rate a few times a day. But this decision is as out as out. There is clear day light between the foot and the ground and the bails are off and he is given not out. The only explantaion i can come up with is that he pressed the wrong button.

 

[sohum]

I would of thought with International matches played that they would be honest with everyone about it and it isn't fair to say that about Steve Bucknor just because he made a mistake.

He's just been making mistakes with increasing regularity over the last few years.

 

[Will_NA]

I'm tired of countries feeling victimised by umpires; this Umpire hates us, he has always been poor against us.

Get over it!


Every team gets poor decisions. Sure, the standard of umpiring has been poor in this match but it's no reason to start undermining the abilities of an otherwise good, experienced, calm umpire.

 

[Ollie_H]

I'm tired of countries feeling victimised by umpires; this Umpire hates us, he has always been poor against us.

Get over it!


Every team gets poor decisions. Sure, the standard of umpiring has been poor in this match but it's no reason to start undermining the abilities of an otherwise good, experienced, calm umpire.

I not having a go and saying that but it is wrong whe the third umpire gets something wrong??

 

[sohum]

Every team gets poor decisions. Sure, the standard of umpiring has been poor in this match but it's no reason to start undermining the abilities of an otherwise good, experienced, calm umpire.

This match and the last. If it continues, it will be just for this series. It has happened previously against India with Bucknor, so it is just a few random occurrences against India in the past. I believe the ICC need to be more proactive in their handling of the Elite Panel. Umpires are form-based performers as well and those who have been consistently making mistakes should be dropped for a period just as players are.

 

[Harrypotter_fan]

Kev, don't defend the umpires. And now that you have made yourself so clear that the umpires are 'not at fault' I can't see your opinion changing.

EDIT: People who haven't watched the match please don't defend the umpires. The umpires are acting like God and making the match go the way they want. Maybe Bucknor or whatever he is called will give an Indian out caught behind even on a wide ball.

 

[Will_NA]

I not having a go and saying that but it is wrong whe the third umpire gets something wrong??

Pardon?

 

[Gilly Fan]

For Kev, if it is legal:

And if you can call that not-out, I've got nothing more to say.

I think the umpires need ear-pieces connected to the stump mic so they can get those edges. But yes, that was a clear edge. Easy to hear that.

 

[Harrypotter_fan]

I wouldn't be surprised if Symond's lives decide the match. I am ready to kill Bucknor.