Can we get some new umpires?

[Ollie_H]

Pardon?

Sorry, It was meant to be somthing like this;

I'm not having a go at the umpires, but it is wrong when the third umpire who does nothing at all throughout the whole day does get something wrong that is so blatently out??

 

[Will_NA]

It wasn't blatant but it was definitely more out than not. Unlike the on-field umpires, he had as much time and angles as he wanted and still didn't come to the correct decision. That is different.

 

[Kev]

For Kev, if it is legal:

And if you can call that not-out, I've got nothing more to say.

I am not commenting on specific decisions, but for the record yes I did think that was out. But then I have an instant advantage over an onfield umpire, because before I even watched the clip I knew it was going to be out didn't I. I didn't say umpires don't make mistakes, but I can accept umpiring mistakes without calling umpires incompetent, racist or biassed.

Right... this argument. So why do you bitch if your car stops working? Or if your computer crashes? Do you know how to build a computer or fix a car?

Besides that it is much easier to get on the Elite Panel than to be dropped from it. Asoka de Silva had to be a substandard umpire for almost 2-3 years before he was finally axes from it. Steve Bucknor has shown that his umpiring is clearly fading. In fact there was an article in Cricinfo I found during some initial research that noted Bucknor's many mistakes during India's last tour to Australia.

Bad example, I do know how to fix cars and computers I do take your point on it being hard to get taken off the elite panel. But I wouldn't say its easier to get on it than get off it though. Like all jobs however it is much harder to fire someone than to hire them.

The only explantaion i can come up with is that he pressed the wrong button.

Maybe he did, I think that has happened before

In the end, its the same in all sports. Umpires/Ref's make mistakes and people get upset, its been happening since there has been spectator sports and it will happen in the future no matter how much technology is used. Perhaps there is an argument for not using any technology because at the end of the day, it will always come down to human error at some stage, be that a decision ou dont agree with, a software bug or something as simple as someone pressing the wrong button.

 

[Cricketman]

There is one way all this can be fixed.

A Challenge system. Each team is allotted two challenges an Inning. The third umpire comes into play, and will adjudge if the batsman is out or not.

If you win a challenge, then you keep it. If you lose it, and the batsman is out, then you lose the challenge.

Say I challenged the Symonds Decision. He would have been adjudged out, and I keep two challenges in my pocket.

If he didn't nick it, however, I lose on challenge and only have one left.

 

[Ollie_H]

Thats what they tried in the English county ODI's, They found that teams never really used them and when they were used the umpires decisions were usually correct.

 

[Animator!]

Tried that in the FP trophy in England last year. I players hated it, even those who recieved decision in their favour, because they didn't like it demeaning and leading to poor relation between players, team and umpires.

The umpires didn't like it because it essentially made them redundant and took away their authority.

 

[RoboRocks]

Thats what they tried in the English county ODI's, They found that teams never really used them and when they were used the umpires decisions were usually correct.

Also the third umpire was only told to change decisions which were clear cut so they were never changed and the experiment was deemed a failure.

 

[evertonfan]

The challenge system has to one of the most disastrous and unsuccessful experiments since Arsenal signed Franny Jeffers.

In short, No.

 

[sohum]

The challenge system would not be the solution to the problem. The solution is building a system of developing and maintaining a group of quality umpires. It requires a proactive approach that the ICC lacks. What else can explain Asoka de Silva's presence on the Elite Panel for so long?

 

[RoboRocks]

I think we need to accept that umpires are human and they make mistakes but they do make most decisions right.

I found that umpires, when they get decisions right we say good decision and move on and forget about it but when they get one wrong and very wrong then we say how bad it was and how costly it was/is.

Its a tough job for them not just for things they need to think about regarding on the field but what people are saying about them off the field as well and every mistake will be taken note of.

 

[sohum]

Umpiring has definitely become a high pressure job especially with advances in technology broadcasting their every mistake all over the world. However, the ICC seems to be ignoring the effect of this on the actual umpires. Some people perform under pressure and others don't. The simple fact of the matter is that if umpires begin to fail under pressure, you have to question their presence at the Elite Panel.

It is my opinion that Steve Bucknor is one who has not been able to cope with the pressure. This man has been in poor form against all opposition over the last few seasons, especially when you compare it to his performance in the mid-90's where he was regarded as one of the best umpires in the game. His performance in the World Cup final also shows that he just may not have it anymore to deal with the intensity, and as Dravid said about Indian captaincy, an Elite Panel umpire may have a "shelf life".

 

[RoboRocks]

Umpiring has definitely become a high pressure job especially with advances in technology broadcasting their every mistake all over the world. However, the ICC seems to be ignoring the effect of this on the actual umpires. Some people perform under pressure and others don't. The simple fact of the matter is that if umpires begin to fail under pressure, you have to question their presence at the Elite Panel.

It is my opinion that Steve Bucknor is one who has not been able to cope with the pressure. This man has been in poor form against all opposition over the last few seasons, especially when you compare it to his performance in the mid-90's where he was regarded as one of the best umpires in the game. His performance in the World Cup final also shows that he just may not have it anymore to deal with the intensity, and as Dravid said about Indian captaincy, an Elite Panel umpire may have a "shelf life".

Dunno about Bucknor despite yesterday's happenings but Daryl Harper has got to go though. I have seen him for a number of years make errors and you feel how he's been able to umpire in over 100 ODI's and over 70 tests. He made plenty of errors in Sri Lanka to tip the iceberg.

 

[sohum]

Dunno about Bucknor despite yesterday's happenings but Daryl Harper has got to go though. I have seen him for a number of years make errors and you feel how he's been able to umpire in over 100 ODI's and over 70 tests. He made plenty of errors in Sri Lanka to tip the iceberg.

See--it really depends on what country you support. I have not seen much of Harper and hence have no problems with his umpiring. Whereas I have seen Bucknor a lot with matches featuring India and have seen him go from bad to worse. This is definitely not a knee-jerk reaction to yesterday's performance as the article I brought up from India's last SCG test shows the problems have been around for a while.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Umpiring has been crap recently. Only a few times have I seen a decision and thought "Wow, well done". I used to be wowed back in 2004-2005, but the last few years have been just rubbish. We need better umps.

 

[Gunner786]

bucknors decision reminded me about another decision going into an ausies favour,

99 series 2nd wasim akram to langer or gilchrist cant remember but i know for a fact it was during their big partnership which won the aussies the match and the series.
clear edge when one of them was new to the crease and australia would have been 6 down for 100odd chasing 369.
moin took the catch somehow the umpire gave it not out
and the rest of the series as they say is history
heres the scorecard
http://content-www.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63855.html