England tour of Sri Lanka 2021

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The Dickwella dismissal was amazing. As it was bowled I said to myself "that is ****" and he hits it straight at Sibley.

In what was of course a very good day for England, Bess picking up a 5-fer will harm us in the long run. He's a dreadful bowler. I've seen plenty of shite finger spinners bowling for England and he's up there with the worst. I expect he'll be massacred in India, assuming they have anyone fit enough to play.
Having now had the chance to watch the highlights of all the bits I missed while I was sleeping, I can now confidently say that's the worst Test five-for I've seen since Simon Katich got five Zimbabweans caught at cow. Absolutely dreadful bowling, but I'm still happy for him - he clearly works hard on his game if nothing else.
Aye he's utter dink like. Can't see what other options we have if we want to play 2 Spinners though.
Hmmm... I think you've prompted me to do a quick dive through all the English spinners. Post coming up in a moment
 

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Having now had the chance to watch the highlights of all the bits I missed while I was sleeping, I can now confidently say that's the worst Test five-for I've seen since Simon Katich got five Zimbabweans caught at cow. Absolutely dreadful bowling, but I'm still happy for him - he clearly works hard on his game if nothing else.

Hmmm... I think you've prompted me to do a quick dive through all the English spinners. Post coming up in a moment

Exactly as planned

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Having now had the chance to watch the highlights of all the bits I missed while I was sleeping, I can now confidently say that's the worst Test five-for I've seen since Simon Katich got five Zimbabweans caught at cow. Absolutely dreadful bowling, but I'm still happy for him - he clearly works hard on his game if nothing else.

Hmmm... I think you've prompted me to do a quick dive through all the English spinners. Post coming up in a moment

Yep, he's the Raffles of Galle - absolutely thieved nearly every one of those wickets.
 

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All the spinners in England currently

So I'm going to colour-code these with a key (the key makes no reference to their batting skills):
:goldo: International-quality spin bowler
:slvo: Good quality county bowler, could maybe do a job in helpful conditions
:bro: Bang average county bowler
:redo: Should be released by their county
:blueo: Too early to say

Derbyshire
:eng: :ar: :bro: Matt Critchley (24, leg-spin) - 82 wickets @ 44.85 (2 5WI, best 6/73)

Durham
:eng: :ar: :redo: Liam Trevaskis (21, left-orthodox) - 7 wickets @ 76.57 (best 2/96)
:eng: :ar: :bro: Scott Borthwick (30, leg-spin) - 208 wickets @ 38.94 (3 5WI, best 6/70)

Essex
:saf: :ar: :goldo: Simon Harmer (31, off-spin) - 646 wickets @ 27.10 (37 5WI, best 9/95)
:eng: :bwl: :bro: Aron Nijjar (26, left-orthodox) - 19 wickets @ 41.31 (best 2/28)

Glamorgan
:eng: :ar: :redo: Andrew Salter (27, off-spin) - 86 wickets @ 48.02 (best 4/80)
:eng: :bwl: :blueo: Prem Sisodiya (24, left-orthodox) - 15 wickets @ 24.60 (best 4/79)

Gloucestershire
:saf: :ar: :bro: Graeme van Buuren (30, left-orthodox) - 88 wickets @ 32.63 (best 4/12)
:eng: :bwl: :bro: Tom Smith (33, left-orthodox) - 78 wickets @ 49.58 (best 4/35)

Hampshire
:eng: :ar: :slvo: Liam Dawson (30, left-orthodox) - 205 wickets @ 35.21 (3 5WI, best 7/51)
:eng: :bwl: :bro: Mason Crane (23, leg-spin) - 96 wickets @ 45.16 (2 5WI, best 5/35)

Kent
:eng: :bwl: :redo: Hamidullah Qadri (20, off-spin) - 38 wickets @ 38.75 (1 5WI, best 5/60)
:eng: :bwl: :blueo: Imran Qayyum (27, left-orthodox) - 12 wickets @ 43.66 (best 3/158)

Lancashire
:eng: :bwl: :slvo: Matt Parkinson (24, leg-spin) - 62 wickets @ 25.22 (3 5WI, best 6/23)
:eng: :bwl: :blueo: Tom Hartley (22, left-orthodox) - 6 wickets @ 54.00 (best 3/79)
:eng: :bwl: :blueo: Jack Morley (19, left-orthodox) - 5 wickets @ 14.20 (best 4/62)

Leicestershire
:eng: :bwl: :bro: Callum Parkinson (24, left-orthodox) - 54 wickets @ 43.33 (1 5WI, best 8/148)
:eng: :ar: :bro: Arron Lilley (29, off-spin) - 43 wickets @ 33.20 (2 5WI, best 5/23)

Middlesex
:aus: :bwl: :bro: Nathan Sowter (28, leg-spin) - 18 wickets @ 44.16 (best 3/42)
:eng: :bwl: :blueo: Thilan Walallawita (22, left-orthodox) - 6 wickets @ 40.83 (best 3/28)
:eng: :ar: :blueo: Luke Hollman (20, leg-spin) - no first-class experience

Northamptonshire
:eng: :ar: :bro: Rob Keogh (29, off-spin) - 89 wickets @ 43.49 (1 5WI, best 9/52)
:eng: :ar: :blueo: Saif Zaib (22, left-orthodox) - 17 wickets @ 29.23 (1 5WI, best 6/115)
:eng: :bwl: :slvo: Simon Kerrigan (31, left-orthodox) - 325 wickets @ 30.56 (13 5WI, best 9/51)

Nottinghamshire
:eng: :ar: :bro: Samit Patel (36, left-orthodox) - 357 wickets @ 38.23 (5 5WI, best 7/68)
:eng: :bwl: :blueo: Liam Patterson-White (22, left-orthodox) - 20 wickets @ 21.00 (1 5WI, best 5/73)
:eng: :bwl: :bro: Matt Carter (24, off-spin) - 50 wickets @ 39.78 (2 5WI, best 7/56)

Somerset
:eng: :bwl: :goldo: Jack Leach (29, left-orthodox) - 293 wickets @ 25.74 (20 5WI, best 8/85)
:eng: :bwl: :bro: Max Waller (32, leg-spin) - 10 wickets @ 49.30 (best 3/33)

Surrey
:eng: :bwl: :slvo: Gareth Batty (43, off-spin) - 682 wickets @ 32.78 (27 5WI, best 8/64)
:eng: :bwl: :slvo: Amar Virdi (22, off-spin) - 91 wickets @ 28.08 (4 5WI, best 8/61)
:eng: :bwl: :blueo: Dan Moriarty (21, left-orthodox) - 17 wickets @ 20.11 (3 5WI, best 6/70)

Sussex
:eng: :ar: :bro: Will Beer (32, leg-spin) - 40 wickets @ 37.00 (2 5WI, best 6/29)
:ire: :bwl: :blueo: Jack Carson (20, off-spin) - 15 wickets @ 22.66 (1 5WI, best 5/93)

Warwickshire
:eng: :bwl: :slvo: Danny Briggs (29, left-orthodox) - 270 wickets @ 34.77 (8 5WI, best 6/45)
:eng: :ar: :bro: Alex Thomson (27, off-spin) - 20 wickets @ 38.55 (1 5WI, best 6/138)

Worcestershire
:eng: :ar: :slvo: Moeen Ali (33, off-spin) - 368 wickets @ 37.94 (12 5WI, best 6/29)
:eng: :ar: :redo: Brett D'Oliveira (28, leg-spin) - 57 wickets @ 49.98 (2 5WI, best 7/92)

Yorkshire
:eng: :bwl: :slvo: Dom Bess (23, off-spin) - 129 wickets @ 30.23 (9 5WI, best 7/117)
:eng: :ar: :goldo: Adil Rashid (32, leg-spin) - 512 wickets @ 35.05 (20 5WI, best 7/107)
:eng: :bwl: :slvo: Josh Poysden (29, leg-spin) - 33 wickets @ 32.84 (2 5WI, best 5/29)
:eng: :bwl: :blueo: Jack Shutt (23, off-spin) - 2 wickets @ 52.00 (best 2/14)

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Statistically Sensible Suggestions

To be considered a "sensible" selection, a player must have:
  • EITHER :tick: 100 or more wickets at an average of under 40
  • OR :tick: 50 or more wickets at an average of under 30
  • AND :tick: be under the age of 36 (this rules out guys like Gareth Batty)
The sensible selections are:
  • Moeen Ali (Worcestershire)
  • Dom Bess (Yorkshire)
  • Scott Borthwick (Durham) - Has for the last few years been a specialist batsman and part-time leggie)
  • Danny Briggs (Warwickshire)
  • Liam Dawson (Hampshire)
  • Simon Harmer (Essex) - Not sure about whether he is England qualified yet or not
  • Simon Kerrigan (Northamptonshire) - Literally needed years away from the professional game after his last Test match
  • Jack Leach (Somerset)
  • Matt Parkinson (Yorkshire)
  • Adil Rashid (Yorkshire) - Has made himself unavailable for Test cricket
  • Amar Virdi (Surrey)
However there's one more name I'd like to add to the list:
  • Dan Moriarty (Surrey)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

So that's England's entire spin stock. I think if Simon Harmer qualifies to play for England, he should walk into the side for India; he's been outstanding ever since he arrived at Essex, and has expressed an interest in representing England. If he's not available, however, then you have the issue of there being only seven sensible spinners, plus one punt. Of those seven, five are in Sri Lanka already, one is injured but would otherwise be there too, and one is Danny Briggs.

There literally isn't an easy fix. Apart from getting Simon Harmer a British passport.

  1. :eng: :bat: Dom Sibley
  2. :eng: :bat: Rory Burns
  3. :eng: :bat: Zak Crawley or Ollie Pope
  4. :eng: :bat: Joe Root
  5. :eng: :ar: Ben Stokes
  6. :eng: :wk: Ben Foakes
  7. :eng: :ar: Simon Harmer
  8. :eng: :bwl: Jack Leach
  9. :eng: :bwl: Mark Wood
  10. :eng: :bwl: Stuart Broad
  11. :eng: :bwl: Matt Parkinson
 

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All the spinners in England currently

So I'm going to colour-code these with a key (the key makes no reference to their batting skills):
:goldo: International-quality spin bowler
:slvo: Good quality county bowler, could maybe do a job in helpful conditions
:bro: Bang average county bowler
:redo: Should be released by their county
:blueo: Too early to say

Derbyshire
:eng: :ar: :bro: Matt Critchley (24, leg-spin) - 82 wickets @ 44.85 (2 5WI, best 6/73)

Durham
:eng: :ar: :redo: Liam Trevaskis (21, left-orthodox) - 7 wickets @ 76.57 (best 2/96)
:eng: :ar: :bro: Scott Borthwick (30, leg-spin) - 208 wickets @ 38.94 (3 5WI, best 6/70)

Essex
:saf: :ar: :goldo: Simon Harmer (31, off-spin) - 646 wickets @ 27.10 (37 5WI, best 9/95)
:eng: :bwl: :bro: Aron Nijjar (26, left-orthodox) - 19 wickets @ 41.31 (best 2/28)

Glamorgan
:eng: :ar: :redo: Andrew Salter (27, off-spin) - 86 wickets @ 48.02 (best 4/80)
:eng: :bwl: :blueo: Prem Sisodiya (24, left-orthodox) - 15 wickets @ 24.60 (best 4/79)

Gloucestershire
:saf: :ar: :bro: Graeme van Buuren (30, left-orthodox) - 88 wickets @ 32.63 (best 4/12)
:eng: :bwl: :bro: Tom Smith (33, left-orthodox) - 78 wickets @ 49.58 (best 4/35)

Hampshire
:eng: :ar: :slvo: Liam Dawson (30, left-orthodox) - 205 wickets @ 35.21 (3 5WI, best 7/51)
:eng: :bwl: :bro: Mason Crane (23, leg-spin) - 96 wickets @ 45.16 (2 5WI, best 5/35)

Kent
:eng: :bwl: :redo: Hamidullah Qadri (20, off-spin) - 38 wickets @ 38.75 (1 5WI, best 5/60)
:eng: :bwl: :blueo: Imran Qayyum (27, left-orthodox) - 12 wickets @ 43.66 (best 3/158)

Lancashire
:eng: :bwl: :slvo: Matt Parkinson (24, leg-spin) - 62 wickets @ 25.22 (3 5WI, best 6/23)
:eng: :bwl: :blueo: Tom Hartley (22, left-orthodox) - 6 wickets @ 54.00 (best 3/79)
:eng: :bwl: :blueo: Jack Morley (19, left-orthodox) - 5 wickets @ 14.20 (best 4/62)

Leicestershire
:eng: :bwl: :bro: Callum Parkinson (24, left-orthodox) - 54 wickets @ 43.33 (1 5WI, best 8/148)
:eng: :ar: :bro: Arron Lilley (29, off-spin) - 43 wickets @ 33.20 (2 5WI, best 5/23)

Middlesex
:aus: :bwl: :bro: Nathan Sowter (28, leg-spin) - 18 wickets @ 44.16 (best 3/42)
:eng: :bwl: :blueo: Thilan Walallawita (22, left-orthodox) - 6 wickets @ 40.83 (best 3/28)
:eng: :ar: :blueo: Luke Hollman (20, leg-spin) - no first-class experience

Northamptonshire
:eng: :ar: :bro: Rob Keogh (29, off-spin) - 89 wickets @ 43.49 (1 5WI, best 9/52)
:eng: :ar: :blueo: Saif Zaib (22, left-orthodox) - 17 wickets @ 29.23 (1 5WI, best 6/115)
:eng: :bwl: :slvo: Simon Kerrigan (31, left-orthodox) - 325 wickets @ 30.56 (13 5WI, best 9/51)

Nottinghamshire
:eng: :ar: :bro: Samit Patel (36, left-orthodox) - 357 wickets @ 38.23 (5 5WI, best 7/68)
:eng: :bwl: :blueo: Liam Patterson-White (22, left-orthodox) - 20 wickets @ 21.00 (1 5WI, best 5/73)
:eng: :bwl: :bro: Matt Carter (24, off-spin) - 50 wickets @ 39.78 (2 5WI, best 7/56)

Somerset
:eng: :bwl: :goldo: Jack Leach (29, left-orthodox) - 293 wickets @ 25.74 (20 5WI, best 8/85)
:eng: :bwl: :bro: Max Waller (32, leg-spin) - 10 wickets @ 49.30 (best 3/33)

Surrey
:eng: :bwl: :slvo: Gareth Batty (43, off-spin) - 682 wickets @ 32.78 (27 5WI, best 8/64)
:eng: :bwl: :slvo: Amar Virdi (22, off-spin) - 91 wickets @ 28.08 (4 5WI, best 8/61)
:eng: :bwl: :blueo: Dan Moriarty (21, left-orthodox) - 17 wickets @ 20.11 (3 5WI, best 6/70)

Sussex
:eng: :ar: :bro: Danny Briggs (32, leg-spin) - 40 wickets @ 37.00 (2 5WI, best 6/29)
:ire: :bwl: :blueo: Jack Carson (20, off-spin) - 15 wickets @ 22.66 (1 5WI, best 5/93)

Warwickshire
:eng: :bwl: :slvo: Danny Briggs (29, left-orthodox) - 270 wickets @ 34.77 (8 5WI, best 6/45)
:eng: :ar: :bro: Alex Thomson (27, off-spin) - 20 wickets @ 38.55 (1 5WI, best 6/138)

Worcestershire
:eng: :ar: :slvo: Moeen Ali (33, off-spin) - 368 wickets @ 37.94 (12 5WI, best 6/29)
:eng: :ar: :redo: Brett D'Oliveira (28, leg-spin) - 57 wickets @ 49.98 (2 5WI, best 7/92)

Yorkshire
:eng: :bwl: :slvo: Dom Bess (23, off-spin) - 129 wickets @ 30.23 (9 5WI, best 7/117)
:eng: :ar: :goldo: Adil Rashid (32, leg-spin) - 512 wickets @ 35.05 (20 5WI, best 7/107)
:eng: :bwl: :slvo: Josh Poysden (29, leg-spin) - 33 wickets @ 32.84 (2 5WI, best 5/29)
:eng: :bwl: :blueo: Jack Shutt (23, off-spin) - 2 wickets @ 52.00 (best 2/14)

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Statistically Sensible Suggestions

To be considered a "sensible" selection, a player must have:
  • EITHER :tick: 100 or more wickets at an average of under 40
  • OR :tick: 50 or more wickets at an average of under 30
  • AND :tick: be under the age of 36 (this rules out guys like Gareth Batty)
The sensible selections are:
  • Moeen Ali (Worcestershire)
  • Dom Bess (Yorkshire)
  • Scott Borthwick (Durham) - Has for the last few years been a specialist batsman and part-time leggie)
  • Danny Briggs (Warwickshire)
  • Liam Dawson (Hampshire)
  • Simon Harmer (Essex) - Not sure about whether he is England qualified yet or not
  • Simon Kerrigan (Northamptonshire) - Literally needed years away from the professional game after his last Test match
  • Jack Leach (Somerset)
  • Matt Parkinson (Yorkshire)
  • Adil Rashid (Yorkshire) - Has made himself unavailable for Test cricket
  • Amar Virdi (Surrey)
However there's one more name I'd like to add to the list:
  • Dan Moriarty (Surrey)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

So that's England's entire spin stock. I think if Simon Harmer qualifies to play for England, he should walk into the side for India; he's been outstanding ever since he arrived at Essex, and has expressed an interest in representing England. If he's not available, however, then you have the issue of there being only seven sensible spinners, plus one punt. Of those seven, five are in Sri Lanka already, one is injured but would otherwise be there too, and one is Danny Briggs.

There literally isn't an easy fix. Apart from getting Simon Harmer a British passport.

  1. :eng: :bat: Dom Sibley
  2. :eng: :bat: Rory Burns
  3. :eng: :bat: Zak Crawley or Ollie Pope
  4. :eng: :bat: Joe Root
  5. :eng: :ar: Ben Stokes
  6. :eng: :wk: Ben Foakes
  7. :eng: :ar: Simon Harmer
  8. :eng: :bwl: Jack Leach
  9. :eng: :bwl: Mark Wood
  10. :eng: :bwl: Stuart Broad
  11. :eng: :bwl: Matt Parkinson

So basically. Bess it is :lol
 

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So basically. Bess it is :lol
I really rate Dan Moriarty, and I don't think he'd necessarily do any worse than the incumbents. But filling the bowling attack up with left-arm orthodox bowlers probably isn't the winningest strategy
 

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Just watched the highlights again. Bess has absolutley burgled 5 wickets today. Unbelievable
For any who've not seen the travesty yet
  1. Kusal Perera (why is he opening?) reverse sweeps his second ball to slip
  2. Niroshan Dickwella slices the longest of hops to Dom Sibley, who falls over and just sort of gets hit by the ball
  3. Dasun Shanaka sweeps a leg-side ball straight down into Jonny Bairstow's ankle. Jonny is harder than the ball, which flies to Buttler
  4. Dilruwan Perera gets a pretty good straight ball, which he tries to hit to another continent with all four limbs going in different directions
  5. Wanindu Hasaranga plays a sort of standing reverse-hack to a straight ball, misses by several metres.
I wish I was exaggerating. The weirdest thing is that all five of those are proper batsmen.
 
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The biggest fraud of a 5-fer you'll ever see
As a spinner myself, I should probably make my usual defence along the lines of "a wicket caught at cow because of a bit of extra flight counts the same as wicket clean bowled"

But yeah nah that's a garbage five-for
 

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As a spinner myself, I should probably make my usual defence along the lines of "a wicket caught at cow because of a bit of extra flight counts the same as wicket clean bowled"

But yeah nah that's a garbage five-for

OK then, I'll give you that. But as a spinner, justify the one off Bairstow's boot :lol
 

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OK then, I'll give you that. But as a spinner, justify the one off Bairstow's boot :lol
"Bess was bowling to his field; Bairstow was put there for an errant leg-side shot, and when you're at short leg if you can't catch them then you should at least try to deflect them upwards"

I've totally sold my soul there
 

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"Bess was bowling to his field; Bairstow was put there for an errant leg-side shot, and when you're at short leg if you can't catch them then you should at least try to deflect them upwards"

I've totally sold my soul there

Need a shower after that one? Dirty
 

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Need a shower after that one? Dirty
Same as I have no honest way of justifying any of the wickets

Kusal Perera should not have played such an expansive shot off only the second ball he faced off a bowler in a Test match.

Dickwella's long hop didn't even reach half way - he had plenty of time to hit it anywhere he liked

Shanaka was beyond unlucky - he could hit that shot the same way for the rest of his career and he'd never get out again

Dilruwan's wicket was a complete failure of technique and temperament

Hasaranga shouldn't have been premeditating, regardless of Sri Lanka being nine down. And even if the reverse-sweep was the right option, it was a bad reverse sweep
 

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