England Tour of West Indies - 2019

[ShamiLoverGlipGlops]

The most overrated team with the most overrated captain. I always used to mention when people mentioned Smith, Williamson, Kohli and Root in the same sentence. Root is the most overrated player. His captaincy is even worst when compared to Kohlis attrocious captaincy.

England has always relied on the lower order batsman bailing them out, used to be Broad and Swann few years back now its over dependence on Curran.[DOUBLEPOST=1549146855][/DOUBLEPOST]Taking nothing away from West Indies, also the record of West Indies playing really well at home against all oppositions except India continues. Jason Holder will be a proud man and he has the right team.

 

[Samuels]

Are you Marlon Samuels?

I am just another man from Jamaica.

 

[Samuels]

It is so good to see the determination shown by our players. Some inspiring play from Roach, Holder, Dowrich among others in the team. It has been a complete team effort. Feels so good to win with everyone playing their part.

Rally Round The West Indies!

 

[asprin]

I think we are being incredibly harsh on England. Yes, they bat deep and yet are struggling in this series, but let's not forget WI have proven to be quite strong in their backyard. They are playing well as a unit and the results are coming in for them.

I do agree, however, that on away tours England should not be going in with so many all rounders. You will need specialists (be it pure batsmen or bowlers) to handle the opposition in their home.

 

[zimrahil]

I think we are being incredibly harsh on England. Yes, they bat deep and yet are struggling in this series, but let's not forget WI have proven to be quite strong in their backyard. They are playing well as a unit and the results are coming in for them.

I do agree, however, that on away tours England should not be going in with so many all rounders. You will need specialists (be it pure batsmen or bowlers) to handle the opposition in their home.

I agree, people are too prone to knee jerk reactions, like saying they were world beaters after winning in Sri Lanka etc

It’s been obvious for ages the top 3 needs sorting out and yes maybe an additional specialist bowler would help away from home.

It is good seeing the windies competitive at home but 12 overs per hour?

 

[qpeedore]

12 overs an hour of some of the best fast bowling I've seen from my team in a long time.

In a match that STILL ended within 3 days. Unfair to Holder for his suspension. Okay, if the match went into the 5th day, sure, suspend him. But this is not an issue of time here. The ICC needs to look at this and similar instances.

 

[asprin]

It is good seeing the windies competitive at home but 12 overs per hour?

And action taken by ICC - though I feel it was uncalled for.

 

[qpeedore]

Don't bash England's selection. They played what they thought was their best eleven. And make no doubt about it, it really is a great team on paper.

A lot is being said about application and selection and all that. While that may be true, the fact remains that they have simply been outplayed for 7 days of cricket so far. Bravo alone batted for more overs than the entire English team. There were one or two soft dismissals from England, agreed, but most of the wickets came from good bowling.

I don't subscribe to the poor selection theory. I don't subscribe to the poor application theory. I subscribe to the outplayed theory.

EDIT: Yeah, I believe that's Marlon Samuels indeed. I did say he lurks around these parts. Treat him as you treat any other member.
And I personally don't think he's the only international cricketer on here.

 

[zimrahil]

12 overs an hour of some of the best fast bowling I've seen from my team in a long time.

In a match that STILL ended within 3 days. Unfair to Holder for his suspension. Okay, if the match went into the 5th day, sure, suspend him. But this is not an issue of time here. The ICC needs to look at this and similar instances.

I guess we have to disagree then. As a spectator at the ground to watch 12 overs every hour is not acceptable (in my opinion of course)

Cricket for the modern person is too slow (I am ignoring die hard test fans) hence one reason why shorter formats so popular so I cannot see how slow over rates help test cricket survive

 

[aditya123]

I think we are being incredibly harsh on England. Yes, they bat deep and yet are struggling in this series, but let's not forget WI have proven to be quite strong in their backyard. They are playing well as a unit and the results are coming in for them.

I do agree, however, that on away tours England should not be going in with so many all rounders. You will need specialists (be it pure batsmen or bowlers) to handle the opposition in their home.

WI at home has been a stubborn side. Also, the pitches in the Caribbean in the last 4 years have been changing character back to favoring quick bowling. I listen to a lot of English cricket podcasts and the popular perception among the English cricket pundits was that the wickets would be slow and low. A lot of that has to be attributed to their arrogance in not attaching importance to test cricket outside of England and Australia (unless England are involved in it). That resulted in poor selection choices and so on. However, WI as a test side is highly underrated. Even in India, they challenged India more (2nd test) than Australia did in Australia.

 

[asprin]

Cricket for the modern person is too slow (I am ignoring die hard test fans) hence one reason why shorter formats so popular so I cannot see how slow over rates help test cricket survive

But someone who prefers fast action packed game wouldn't come to watch a Test match now, would they? As a safe assumption, I would say 90% of the spectators would be those who appreciate the nuances of Test cricket and would be coming in expecting dull moments during certain sessions.

 

[Neo 7]

A T20 game takes = 1 & half hours for one innings .

So if we go by this , then it is expected to complete 16 to 17 to 18 overs if WI bowled 12/hour .

And also come on ! This is "Test cricket" . There have to be specialised tactics every moment . It ain't a T20 where spinners also come into play where the overs count so fastly due to them .

And here , the case was fast bowlers .

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Oh ! A spectator also counts overs ? Meh ! That's an excuse .

People go to enjoy the match . What do they have to do with overs ......

 

[abhi_jacko]

The one match ban is ridiculous. But I am sure Holder wont complain - if the one match ban is the cost of a series win against the world's no.3 Test side who were considered favorites, then it is definitely worth it.

 

[zimrahil]

But someone who prefers fast action packed game wouldn't come to watch a Test match now, would they? As a safe assumption, I would say 90% of the spectators would be those who appreciate the nuances of Test cricket and would be coming in expecting dull moments during certain sessions.

I enjoy test cricket but watching 12 overs an hour bores me senseless ?

 

[asprin]

I enjoy test cricket but watching 12 overs an hour bores me senseless ?

12 hours throughout the Test match, sure. But a session or two wouldn't matter to me.

Look, the bowling team ideally is supposed to bowl 30 overs in a session. I think the average that most teams do is 27-29. So that makes a difference of about 3-4 overs in one complete session which I do not think is that big of a difference - at least not ban worthy. A fine would have been fine (no pun intended)