General Cricket Discussion

[War]

Yea I'm with you

I'd much rather have a Steyn, M Morkel and someone else attack than any of the Aussie bowlers right now. The Australian attack is very overrated.

No way is AUS pace attack overrated. It is the best in the world & has the best fast bowling depth. Failing to acknowledge this is criminally underating AUS pace attack i'm afraid.

 

[War]

Ehh Idk. The Saffers have been blessed to have been playing largely in pace friendly conditions off late. The Australian's are coming off a hammering in fast bowler hell - India.

An attack of Bollinger - Johnson - Hilfy (I think Ben's an absolutely fantastic bowler) backed up by an in form Siddle would be too hot to handle in quick conditions.

I want to watch an Aus vs Saf series now. Steyn-Morkel vs these guys is a salivating proposition.

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My fast bowling attack would be:



Steyn
Zaheer
Morne
Hilfy/Bollinger depending on the conditions

Next october they are playing in SA. Once all are fit on both sides, that will be a superb little series. With two potentially top fast-bowling attacks in bowler friendly conditions.

 

[Themer]

No way is AUS pace attack overrated. It is the best in the world & has the best fast bowling depth. Failing to acknowledge this is criminally underating AUS pace attack i'm afraid.

By calling it the "best in the world" with the "best fast bowling depth" immediately causes "No way is AUS pace attack overrated" to become false.

 

[pcfan123]

but Themer, War has "seen" them bowl and that means his analysis is flawless.

 

[War]

By calling it the "best in the world" with the "best fast bowling depth" immediately causes "No way is AUS pace attack overrated" to become false.

Uh what?

but Themer, War has "seen" them bowl and that means his analysis is flawless.

Ok ease the trolling thank you very much. By no means was i trying to state my assement of the AUS & SA pace attacks depth, based on seeing them bowl ins flawless.

Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion on this. But i seriously question your view on AUS pace attack given you where the one who claimed it was overated:

Yea I'm with you

I'd much rather have a Steyn, M Morkel and someone else attack than any of the Aussie bowlers right now. The Australian attack is very overrated.

So i question you or anyone else who may have seen AUS & SA back-up pacebowling talent/options, behind their respective main test bowling otpions. Since IMO i dont see how if like myself if you saw the back-ups of each country bowl plus look @ their FC records, how one can not see AUS has the clear edge.

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

I'm not sure I agree War, it's easy to say Australia has better fast bowling reserves because they have many more better known players waiting in the wings. This largely because injuries have meant they have many more players that have played international cricket.

Harris, Nannes, McKay, Bollinger, Johnson, Siddle, Hilfenhaus, that string bean that played in india that I forget the name of.

It looks impressive because you have 8 internationals, but most of those guys have been pretty poor against good opposition.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Mckay, Nannes, Hastings and Harris seem like ODI specialists for now. May not have what it takes to crack test cricket.

Starc and Hazelwood are still too new and young

Siddle and Johnson are too inconsistent.

Bollinger is pretty good. But apparently most of you believe he produces good spells only once in a while?

Hilfy is a very reliable workhorse type bowler, and dangerous when the conditions are good.

George seems decent, too soon to judge.


A lot of fast bowlers, so you'd be tempted to say Aus has great pace bowling reserves. But how many of them can be threats consistently at Test level?

 

[War]

I'm not sure I agree War, it's easy to say Australia has better fast bowling reserves because they have many more better known players waiting in the wings. This largely because injuries have meant they have many more players that have played international cricket.

Harris, Nannes, McKay, Bollinger, Johnson, Siddle, Hilfenhaus, that string bean that played in india that I forget the name of.

It looks impressive because you have 8 internationals, but most of those guys have been pretty poor against good opposition.

Which good oppostion have any of the names you listed above been poor againts?. Last check all of them have done very well againts good opposition @ some point in their respective careers already. Of course they haven't done it consistently (Johnson & Siddle for eg), but they all clearly done damage againts good opposition batsmen already.

War added 16 Minutes and 31 Seconds later...

Mckay, Nannes, Hastings and Harris seem like ODI specialists for now. May not have what it takes to crack test cricket.

Starc and Hazelwood are still too new and young

Siddle and Johnson are too inconsistent.

Bollinger is pretty good. But apparently most of you believe he produces good spells only once in a while?

Hilfy is a very reliable workhorse type bowler, and dangerous when the conditions are good.

George seems decent, too soon to judge.


A lot of fast bowlers, so you'd be tempted to say Aus has great pace bowling reserves. But how many of them can be threats consistently at Test level?

When we talk about test cricket. This is the pecking order for the AUS quicks:

Bollinger
Hilfenhaus
Harris (he is far more than just an ODI specialist my friend & certainly has what it takes to crack it in tests)
Johnson
Siddle

This is the main 5. Then the back-ups which i would say i can see being of use in test at some in their careers, since i see skills in them that suggest they could be good test bowlers area:

Starc
J Pattinson
Copeland
George
McKay
Clark

I personally am not really impressed with Josh Hazlewood as yet as bowler who could be of use in tests, so i wouldn't include him ATM.

Nannes would be right up there if he wasn't an ODI specialist, given he retired from FC cricket recently given he doesn't think his body can handle FC anymore. He would walk into a few other test teams worldwide if he was still FC cricket as well pretty easily.

Hastings is just an ODI/T20 specialist all-rounder. Not a test match option at all as a pure fast-bowler.

Yes Johnson & Siddle are inconsistent. But that doesn't change that they are already proven test match fast-bowlers.

I dont think its too soon to judge. I dont see much a difference between him & English bowlers Finn & Tremlett, he is just like them. I can certainly see George being a effective bowler on bouncy decks or any pitch that has fair life in it already. Only thing that would stop that from happening is some miraculous career threatening injury or out of nowhere he just regresses.

Same things goes from youngsters like Starc & Pattinson. Some young bowlers you see & you can look @ them & say "yes they have the raw pace, skills to be effective in tests one day". When i saw Kemar Roach, Aamir for the 1st time i got that impression & we know what they are about today - i get that impression from these two ATM.

So IMO as you asked, all of listed bowlers i can see being consistent threats in test currently or one day soon.

 

[AkshayS]

Suresh Raina replaces Yuvraj Singh in BCCI's Grade A contracts list | Cricket News | India v Sri Lanka 2009/10 | Cricinfo.com

Bad days doesn't seem to end for Yuvraj Singh. He's been demoted to Grade B.

Grade A(salary increased to 1 crore for retainers): Sachin Tendulkar, MS Dhoni, Gautam Gambhir, Virender Sehwag, Rahul Dravid, VVS Laxman, Suresh Raina, Harbhajan Singh, Zaheer Khan

Grade B: Yuvraj Singh, Ishant Sharma, Ashish Nehra, Praveen Kumar, Virat Kohli, M Vijay, Pragyan Ojha

Grade C: Sreesanth, Amit Mishra, R Ashwin, Rohit Sharma, Cheteshwar Pujara, Ravindra Jadeja, Abhimanyu Mithun, Vinay Kumar

 

[deathrevenge9]

1 crore!
Holy ████! You have gotta be kiddin me.

 

[AkshayS]

The board has made several changes to the structure, reducing the total number of contracted players from 41 to 24, and doing away with Grade D. The annual retainers have been increased from Rs. 60 lakh to Rs. 1 crore ($135,594 to $225,990) for Grade A and from Rs 40 lakh to Rs. 50 lakh ($90,396 to $112,995) for Grade B. The fees for category C remain at Rs. 25 lakhs ($56,498)

Read this.

 

[CG123]

This must be the first time in a while that all eight major teams will be playing proper (test) cricket at the same time.
Someone will probably correct me, but it seems like it's been ages since it last happened with all the T20 ████.

 

[AkshayS]

Tendulkar named brand Ambassador for WC11

Great news for Indian cricket, the most loved cricketer of India is the BA of WC.

originally said by Lorgat
“We are very lucky to have such an extraordinary player as Sachin supporting our flagship event.”

 

[Themer]

Whats a Brand Ambassador when its at home?

 

[AbhishekS]

This might hurt some, but Tendulkar will be a flop in 2011 WC. I really want him to score, but my gut feeling says he won't.