Pakistan might not play WC in India

Uh, lol, I actually have neighbors back in Chennai who moved from Pakistan. My uncles best friend, practically a brother, is a Pakistani living in Delhi. The Pakistan hate isn't as much as you think, maybe it's just you.

So I don't know what you're saying.

Lol, you're saying that police officers didn't have the balls to fend off terrorists but a damn bus driver knew what to do when rocket launchers are aimed at him?

Cricketman added 4 Minutes and 4 Seconds later...

Also, how did the terrorists just walk away after unleashing they're AK47s? Wasn't their security WITH the players to take them down? What were they doing?
I said Mumbai, not Delhi - learn to read, you should have a better command on the English language, seeing as you live in the States.

Anyway, my little "make fun of you for not being able to distinguish between Mumbai and India / Delhi being over"...

Also, the terrorists were fired upon by the security forces? Why do you think he was able to take the bus away... The guy laying down playing dead was a mere traffic cop.

They were firing on the terrorists, like they were suppoused to.

And like I said, arrests were made, which I clearly stated and descried in the other thread.
 
This thread mas made to ensue this kind of debate. This is a cricket thread and should not be turned into a political slugfest. Fact is that Pakistanis are not safe in India ATM and vice versa. Pakistan team will be well advised not to tour India untill and unless relations improve and how that happens is a long political debate that should not take place on a cricketing forum.
 
Indian Religious Extremists Attack Pakistani Journalists | GroundReport

Hindu extremists attack Pak journalists in India (well not neutral, but w/e)

Forget that, I found a video - pakistani journalist attacked in new delhi | NowPublic Video Archives

Seems people were more interested in capturing the incident than helping - this during a Pakistan-Indian journalists conference.

"Is Media Jingoism Fanning Indo-Pak Tensions?" was the title of the conference I believe.

washingtonpost.com

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Regarding the security for the cricket team and journalists... yes, I'd expect added security, but I still can't see it happening - a better decision will have to be taken 6 months from the tournament, when we can clearly assess what kind of threats may be posed to our team. But definitely, if the tournament was to take place soon (6 months), Pakistan would not be playing any of its games in India.

India succesfully hosted England for a test series a week after mumbai attacks. Look who's talking bout security- You couldnt even provide a decent security to srilankan team. Only reason the team survived becoz the terrorist never intended to kill the cricketers. They just wanted to take them hostages. Otherwse tell me, why none of the 12 terrorist come into the bus which was at standstill for good 5 to 8 minutes. Had one of the terrorist decided to come into the bus then we all know what would have happened. Even on of your suicidal terrorist ould have been enough.


P.S: Gilani's reaction would have been;" Damn! Mission Failed, I thought we could get some talibani's in ransom for players"

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THEY DIDN'T HAVE GUNS!

They weren't even part of the security entourage. They were damn traffic cops, what the hell were they suppoused to do? They haven't been trained for this, hell I'm better trained than a traffic cop at security.

I can see why he did that, what's he gonna do? Hard to blame him. Secondly, yes the bus driver was courageous, but he's been trained in the security protocol, he drives the bus in Karachi and in Lahore and wherever else visiting team goes.

Can't say he's a normal civilian either.

Yes, its a small incident, but with Pakistan hate on the rise in India (and vice versa in Pakistan) I would want higher security. Of course, I really don't know what kind of agenda your political parties have, but as I understand the situation, this was staged by a political party and not by some random people.

And I think we are allowed to declare India an unsafe country, because I highly doubt any random ordinary Pakistani would survive too long in the streets of Mumbai. I really don't see it happening.

1) because he drives in karachi and lahore thats why he has experience of such situtaions!!!???

2) He's not a normal civilian??? Yeah he's Pakistani superman with a green cape in back and a half moon in front.;)

3)WTF u mean by " This is a small incident" Are you nuts. Come on tell me what is a big incident in your country. Assasination of bhutto?? You wanted something like that???? After all that happened in pak,How in the hell you have guts to say that this is an small incident:mad::mad::mad:
 
I said Mumbai, not Delhi - learn to read, you should have a better command on the English language, seeing as you live in the States.

Anyway, my little "make fun of you for not being able to distinguish between Mumbai and India / Delhi being over"...

Also, the terrorists were fired upon by the security forces? Why do you think he was able to take the bus away... The guy laying down playing dead was a mere traffic cop.

They were firing on the terrorists, like they were suppoused to.

And like I said, arrests were made, which I clearly stated and descried in the other thread.
Oh, and the difference between 26/11 and 3/3 is that we were able to save them

You have got to be kidding me! Did you forget that players were shot and were even admitted in the hospital after sustaining shrapnel wounds? They could have easily died and its just by sheer good luck that you were able to "save" them. And I accept that a lot of people were killed in Mumbai. But at the end of the day, we saved many lives and not every one who stayed in the hotel was killed.

A lot of terrorists were gunned down and killed in Mumbai and one was even captured alive. Your security guys were'nt capable of doing it. And every terrorist escaped alive. If that aint bad security then I dont know what is.

They weren't even part of the security entourage. They were damn traffic cops, what the hell were they suppoused to do? They haven't been trained for this, hell I'm better trained than a traffic cop at security.

Well then where was the so-called "Presidential" security? Yeah. Oh, I forgot. They were indeed present. In the security report papers and not near the bus. If thats the level of security your president gets, I am surprised that Gen. Mushie(only Pak politician I somewhat respect) lived as long as he did.

And I think we are allowed to declare India an unsafe country, because I highly doubt any random ordinary Pakistani would survive too long in the streets of Mumbai. I really don't see it happening

Good decision. It might even be good for both countries in the present climate. And yes, I too believe any random ordinary Pakistani would'nt survive long in India. There are crackpots in every country.

Anyway, our country has declared India an unsafe country - they can barely provide security for Pakistani journalists in the country who are attacked by Hindi extremists, and we expect them to be able to protect our cricket team?

Hypocrisy of the highest order. We atleast did'nt behead your journalists which your terrorists did to Daniel Pearl - an US journalist.
 
Fact is that Pakistanis are not safe in India ATM and vice versa.

Pakistani not safe in india.... Agreed. Its a fact, You cannot expect any of us to welcome any of you with open arms.

Disagree with vice versa..... Infact Pakistan is safe for nobody at the moment. Not even for the general pakistani civilian who is yet to be trained by taliban
 
India succesfully hosted England for a test series a week after mumbai attacks. Look who's talking bout security- You couldnt even provide a decent security to srilankan team. Only reason the team survived becoz the terrorist never intended to kill the cricketers. They just wanted to take them hostages. Otherwse tell me, why none of the 12 terrorist come into the bus which was at standstill for good 5 to 8 minutes. Had one of the terrorist decided to come into the bus then we all know what would have happened. Even on of your suicidal terrorist ould have been enough.


P.S: Gilani's reaction would have been;" Damn! Mission Failed, I thought we could get some talibani's in ransom for players"

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1) because he drives in karachi and lahore thats why he has experience of such situtaions!!!???

2) He's not a normal civilian??? Yeah he's Pakistani superman with a green cape in back and a half moon in front.;)

3)WTF u mean by " This is a small incident" Are you nuts. Come on tell me what is a big incident in your country. Assasination of bhutto?? You wanted something like that???? After all that happened in pak,How in the hell you have guts to say that this is an small incident:mad::mad::mad:
You can't make yourself look more stupid than this even if you tried. So, dont speak about matters that you have no idea about kiddo.
 
This thread mas made to ensue this kind of debate. This is a cricket thread and should not be turned into a political slugfest. Fact is that Pakistanis are not safe in India ATM and vice versa. Pakistan team will be well advised not to tour India untill and unless relations improve and how that happens is a long political debate that should not take place on a cricketing forum.

I posted it purely to discuss about Pakistan's standpoint on not touring India for the World Cup. I didnt want to purposely bring up this debate. This is the only forum for discussing these things. I guess the mods will take care if members cross the limits.
 
You have got to be kidding me! Did you forget that players were shot and were even admitted in the hospital after sustaining shrapnel wounds? They could have easily died and its just by sheer good luck that you were able to "save" them. And I accept that a lot of people were killed in Mumbai. But at the end of the day, we saved many lives and not every one who stayed in the hotel was killed.

Good luck, yes, but also the priority of the security.

Let me explain something - India's priorities at that time were to capture at least one terrorist, for whatever reason - I won't get into that. However, the priorities set forth to the security here were to make sure the visitors were safe. It was about 9 AM, and Lahoris, well.... they don't like to get up early - simply said, there would not be very many on the street.

Now, we did capture many terror suspects, and like I said earlier, one was captured with AK-47s and other guns, along with a grenade in the bathroom (don't ask me, I don't know), bloody shirts, etc as well as very local maps with lines in the roads. Indian passports, and Indian ID card. He's arrested, he's still in jail.

I'm not too familiar with the Indian IDs, but I believe it was an MNIC, something along those lines. So yes, we didn't kill any terrorists, but we captured 5-6. They have been tortured, or whatever you wish to call it, I will say tortured, because to be quite frank, that is indeed what happened, to find information out of them.

Many attacks were stopped based on this key information. Many more Afghanis were arrested based on that.

A lot of terrorists were gunned down and killed in Mumbai and one was even captured alive. Your security guys were'nt capable of doing it. And every terrorist escaped alive. If that aint bad security then I dont know what is.

Well, they are all alive to my knowledge, but some are arrested.

Well then where was the so-called "Presidential" security? Yeah. Oh, I forgot. They were indeed present. In the security report papers and not near the bus. If thats the level of security your president gets, I am surprised that Gen. Mushie(only Pak politician I somewhat respect) lived as long as he did.

It wasn't there. I will explain this in my article that I am still writing (hopefully I can get it done soon), and you will get my response there. I will say though, that an attack on a Sri Lankan team was simply not expected. If you ask anyone who toured Pakistan in 2005 with the Barmy Army, they will tell you that all roads to the stadium were blocked for the England team, and that was truly Presidential security.

Racism? Possibly, actually yes, it was racism. It was rather discrimination. I will cover this more later in the article I am attempting to finish.

Hypocrisy of the highest order. We atleast did'nt behead your journalists which your terrorists did to Daniel Pearl - an US journalist.

Pakistan doesn't own these "terrorists"

We are fighting them, and I would appreciate it if you didn't call them "my" terrorists. It's very sad, yes, because he came to Pakistan, but I think he knew he wasn't going to have much security with him.

But there are plenty of other "goray" here in Pakistan, Sky News was here the other day in the capital doing a report (Maybe I'll be on TV in the UK, who knows) and the men filming and the reporter were "goray"

Things aren't improving very fast in Pakistan it seems, and again, time will tell whether the Taliban really want peace, or we're in it for the long haul.

And max_dillion, I recommend reading my post. At the VERY least 10 more times, and then revise your post.
 
Look Guys..I would recommend you guys to take it easy....this is turning very nasty very quickly....if a mod comes here we might have a couple of bans...
 
Look Guys..I would recommend you guys to take it easy....this is turning very nasty very quickly....if a mod comes here we might have a couple of bans...
I guess the thread could be closed for going off-topic but since no one has started fighting and since this has been a mere discussion, bans are not likely to be given.
 
I posted it purely to discuss about Pakistan's standpoint on not touring India for the World Cup. I didnt want to purposely bring up this debate. This is the only forum for discussing these things. I guess the mods will take care if members cross the limits.

I bet the Pakistani journalists who were attacked would beg to differ. This hatred is a two way things. Both our countries have got terrorists and extermists who like to kill people of other religion for some dubious freaking reasons that sane people will never agree with or understand. Pakistani players were threatened in their historic tour of India in 1999-2000. Delhi pitch was dug up by RSS extremists. The temprature is even higher right now. I still maintain Pakistan team can not tour India under present circumstances.
 
People are treading a very fine line at the minute. Nothing wrong with reasonable debate, but if personal insults or blatant trolling and insulting of another member's country happens, you'll be infracted. I know for a fact that a few of you are on the verge of bans due to infractions, so think very carefully what you post
 

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