Agreeded. D/L is insane. If it rains in the second innings, abandon the match, cause there is no way of knowing what the resutl could end up (There could always be a dramatic collapse). However, if it can be resumed and the overs reduced, just set the target according to the Run rate. Perfectly fair.
The rain rule.
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a question I would like to throw out there is how often do you see professional players, or teams etc publicly complain about the D/L system?
I cannot recall any instances off hand, so if its good enough for the people actually playing the game maybe this tells its own story.
I cannot recall any instances off hand, so if its good enough for the people actually playing the game maybe this tells its own story.
Many commentators (ie, former cricketers) have complained. And they would complain, except that anything they say gets thrown wayy out of whack. it is like complaining about Muralis action or umpiring decisions.
sohum
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I have yet to see a game determined by D/L where supporters of both sides thought that the revised targets were fair.
andrew_nixon
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You miss my point.ZoraxDoom said:
Let me rephrase my example.
Team A bat first and score 199. This gives team B a target of 200 in their 50 overs.
After 25 overs, Team B are 101/9, and it starts raining and the game is abandoned. The run rate calcualation method is used, and as Team B are ahead of the required rate, they are awarded the game. Now, I put it to you, that it is highly unlikely team B would have gone from 101/9 to 200. So how is the run rate rule fair in that case?
andrew_nixon
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Exactly Zim. The players are happy, the administrators are happy. The D/L method isn't perfect by any means. But it gives fair targets more often than not, and certainly more often than the other methods used in the past.zimrahil said:
In the New Zealand v West Indies example, it clearly gave a fair target as the West Indies nearly matched it. The very fact that the West Indies were just 10 runs short indicates that it gave a fair, reasonable, easily achievable target.
andrew_nixon
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No it isn't. Let me explain. With a target of 200 in 50 overs, the team will set about their chase in a certain manner, with a certain run rate acceleration.ZoraxDoom said:
A target of 100 in 25 overs would be set about with a completely different rate of acceleration.
History shows that scoring 100 in 25 overs is acheived much more often than 200 in 50 overs.
The D/L method gives a much more realistic target of 133 runs in 25 overs.
The run rate method is based on the complete falacy that a team scores at a constant run rate throughout their innings.
wolf
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Surrender, you clearly don't understand D/L.
You say this. That is why the target is revised from that point, allowing for the fact that the team batting second not knowing what they were chasing from the start.
As has been said before in this thread proffesional players have no doubts about D/L and nor do most people. It is a very good system. It has it's faults, but that cannot be helped.
surendar said:then there is no meaning for this rule, becos how can the team batting second know that rain wud come!!!:
You say this. That is why the target is revised from that point, allowing for the fact that the team batting second not knowing what they were chasing from the start.
As has been said before in this thread proffesional players have no doubts about D/L and nor do most people. It is a very good system. It has it's faults, but that cannot be helped.
Afridi no 1
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Yes, In this case the run rate rule is not fair at all.
I must say that the D/L method is quiet fair for both teams.. Its true that the conditions after rain are dreadful...But the fielding side also have to face some difficulties...
1. the spinners dont get their spin at all
2. the outfield is really wet and its really hard to field.
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ZoraxDoom said:
because the first team that batting was assuming they had a full 50 overs to bat - if they knew from the outset they only had 25 overs, they would have accelerated the run rate quicker than if they knew they had to bat 50 overs, as they had less overs to face with 10 wickets in hand.
Therefore the probability is they would score far more than 100 in 25 overs (just look at 20/20 run rates). That is why the score is adjusted higher
The team batting first assumed they had a full 50 overs and accelerated the run rate accordingly. Rain comes and now over 25 overs is possible for 2nd team. They know from the outset they only have 25 overs so will accelerate quicker than the first team for reasons outlined above, therefore score is adjusted higher than the 100 the first team scored after 25 overs
D/L is far more complex that this but I hope you get the point
sohum
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So the D/L method attempts to model how a chasing team should go about setting up their chase. However, given the way the momentum of the game has changed (especially with the inclusion of the power plays), the D/L method should be tweaked or modified because it does not anymore accurately model the conditions the game are played in.andrew_nixon said:
andrew_nixon
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The tables were updated in 2004, and are reviewed on an annual basis taking into account results from the previous year. The latest review (which came just under a year after the introduction of powerplays) saw no need for change.
