Why do things happen?

[Skater]

I don't like the idea that my life is planned. It would make me feel restricted, as if no matter what I choose to do it was always planned to happen like that. Even if I tried to go against what I would usually do that would have been planned to happen as well. It would freak me out.

The essential is no one knows. I don't believe in a God myself. Of late, though, I have been into a lot of churches that are centuries old and it has made me think there must be something behind religion. It can't be a massive hoax. There is so much to think about on this issue, it is confusing. I just went to buy a newspaper and a bottle of milk from the shop, it was raining. Why did I go at that precise moment? Why did I take the route I did when I knew there was another one? Why did I go into one shop when there was another one that sold milk and newspapers on the same precinct? Why didn't I wear a coat? Am I now going to get a cold? It makes you wonder if these things were actually under your control, since you think they are but there are times when you do things without thinking.

The old joke - if God knows everything that is going to happen, would he mind telling me the lottery numbers for Saturday?

 

[Ollie_H]

Well personally I have started to believe that maybe things do happen for a reason. I don't believe in God but maybe with me thinking this you would think I do?

I think there are many reasons that God may exist and many reasons as to why he doesn't and I see the not arguements as the stronger arguements. It's intresting how some religions last and others don't.

 

[Highlander999]

I was looking it what Lee said and I was thinking. Say I have a glass in front of me. Now if I am going to knock it off the table and let it smash, it is already decided i.e. fate, but yet if I try and double bluff and decide not to smash it, isn't that fate again? Therefore the conclusion is, everything has already been pre-determined as whatever you do, from the moment you were born you were always going to do that action and you can't stop it.

God, I hate these discussions, they always leave me feeling helpless (no Sureshot not feeling dumb )

 

[Skater]

I was looking it what Lee said and I was thinking. Say I have a glass in front of me. Now if I am going to knock it off the table and let it smash, it is already decided i.e. fate, but yet if I try and double bluff and decide not to smash it, isn't that fate again? Therefore the conclusion is, everything has already been pre-determined as whatever you do, from the moment you were born you were always going to do that action and you can't stop it.

God, I hate these discussions, they always leave me feeling helpless (no Sureshot not feeling dumb )

Interesting, as looking at it further that would mean free will does not exist and everything that happens, including crime, is pre-determined. The question, therefore, is who decides these things?

 

[Ollie_H]

Your DNA in your body. So although It's pre determined you have decided it.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

I've always thought, why do I see everything from my point of view? What if I die? Will I then start seeing things from another persons point of view, live another life, not remembering this one? How come every morning I wake up as myself, and not someone else? Or maybe I do wake up as someone else? Maybe I live life as every person on earth, but at any given moment I can't remember all those other lives, just the one I am in at that moment. Then how come it is only this life? Why not any other? Maybe cause I don't remember the others? Then why aren't I living another life not remembering this one? Maybe I have? How would I know?

Confusing, potentially scary stuff.

All I know is that, when I follow my instinct I usually pull things off. Like when my Mom's coming to pick me up from the office, but I'm playing on the computer. I know I should be locking up the shop and waiting for her until she comes, but instead I keep playing. I play for 5, 10, even 15 minutes. Suddenly I get a nagging feeling that I should be leaving now, and so I do. And voila, she's there a minute later. Every time without fail.

It's like how we know something is going to go wrong before it does.

I've also had quite a few de-ja vu experiences. Sometimes I dream a scene, a strange and bizzare one, like me being at an empty mall or saying something strange to a friend, and a few days later something happens which suddenly makes me think 'Wait, didn't I dream this?'. And ofcourse, I don't remember the dream exactly, but a few times I do and it is almost exactly the same.

I dunnow. Strange things happen I guess. Just listen to your gut, and move on.

 

[Ollie_H]

I am one of 60% people who suffer from deja-vu in the UK. I get it incredibly badly and it actually really scares me!

 

[Skater]

That is good news for me, then. When I get the feelings where I think I have dreamed about something that is happening in real life, it is usually a bad thing. I have a dental check up tomorrow, and I have not had a dream about anything to do with a dentist for as long as I can remember. So it must be fine, nothing bad will happen!

 

[Sureshot]

Guys a lot of you posting in this thread are 14-18, it's the time of your life when you think about these things the most. Ask Kev, zim, etc, those with a bit more "life experience" () and I think you will get a completely different point of view.

Of late, though, I have been into a lot of churches that are centuries old and it has made me think there must be something behind religion.

Everyone used to think the world was flat (flat-earthers still exist), everyone used to think we were the centre of the universe (again many still believe this). I won't go any further into the religion debate as I respect peoples right to a belief, even if I don't respect peoples belief.

I would put all these thoughts going on in your head down to your hormones. You are growing up. I've been through the same, the older lot have too. You'll realise/come to a point in life, when you know that you can't control anything around you. When that happens, you are an adult.

 

[Will_NA]

I am one of 60% people who suffer from deja-vu in the UK. I get it incredibly badly and it actually really scares me!

I dunno where you got that stat but I experience it quite regularly.

For those of you say no matter what you choose to do, it's down to fate, wouldn't that mean fate and free will go hand in hand and, ultimately, it would be down to fate?

 

[Ollie_H]

I dunno where you got that stat but I experience it quite regularly.

For those of you say no matter what you choose to do, it's down to fate, wouldn't that mean fate and free will go hand in hand and, ultimately, it would be down to fate?

I got it from the British Airways magazine I think while I was flying two weeks ago.

 

[Highlander999]

Guys a lot of you posting in this thread are 14-18, it's the time of your life when you think about these things the most. Ask Kev, zim, etc, those with a bit more "life experience" () and I think you will get a completely different point of view.

Everyone used to think the world was flat (flat-earthers still exist), everyone used to think we were the centre of the universe (again many still believe this). I won't go any further into the religion debate as I respect peoples right to a belief, even if I don't respect peoples belief.

I would put all these thoughts going on in your head down to your hormones. You are growing up. I've been through the same, the older lot have too. You'll realise/come to a point in life, when you know that you can't control anything around you. When that happens, you are an adult.

Strangely enough I think I know what you mean. This year we were studying, "To the Lighthouse" by Virginia Woolf (cow) and it made me pretty unhappy, questioning what is the point of us living if we are just gonna die. However, I did move out of this and I think I know what you mean, but it doesn't mean if I'm sitting in bed one night just sort of questioning everything.

 

[Simbazz]

What will be, will be.

Thats probably the most fitting to describe life. And, its something I try to live by, no plans = no stress. Plus the fact that i'm not good with plans as i forget/or am late

 

[Sureshot]

Strangely enough I think I know what you mean. This year we were studying, "To the Lighthouse" by Virginia Woolf (cow) and it made me pretty unhappy, questioning what is the point of us living if we are just gonna die. However, I did move out of this and I think I know what you mean, but it doesn't mean if I'm sitting in bed one night just sort of questioning everything.

The "Afterlife" (I'm completely happy with the reality of death now) is a big thing to consider. Most people think about it, especially at your kind of age. The human brain in it's standard state isn't able to cope with the fact that once you die, that is it, nothing else happens. It needs a lot of thinking, finding out who you are that helps you find out what you want. It's the driving force behind all religion. People want to believe in a heaven, or re-incarnations, etc.

You'll be fine in a couple of years. A bit more life experience, etc.

 

[Simbazz]

I can't say i'm completely comfortable with that Nigel,

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of after-life until i've got to it. Now you may claim that its my young mind tricking me, but I doubt I could ever live like this, because it makes achievements a lot less meaningful, and makes wrong-doings much more acceptable.

In my opinion, we should have an opinion on what happens but remember that no-one has ever truely come back to life to tell us