M.S.Dhoni - The Movie

[PokerAce]

Dhoni is nowhere near any legendary skippers to get him as an inspiring role model or an idol to learn something from.

Lets see As Skipper -

IPL Champs, CLT20 Champs, World T20, Asia Cup, World Test #1 Side, Champions Trophy, World Cup.

Every major trophy possible for him he has won. Not good enough for you? Care to name any of the "legendary skippers" with a collection anywhere close to Dhoni's.

 

[PokerAce]

This is what I was trying to reference. They'll just ignore it; since its probably the darkest part of Dhoni's career and having a big BCCI-approved film talk about corruption in Indian cricket as part of its celebration of a good player would be... pretty remarkable.

I think the biggest challenge will be handling of MSD the Captain - MSD's captaincy is just as big a part of his persona as his destructive batting, if not more. Since captaincy is a lot more about the mental aspect of the game, it will be interesting to see if the team can do justice to that

Also wondering how negatively or positively will they tackle the CSK-Srinivasan-Meyiappan angle. I am guessing it will mainly be positive since it has been approved by BCCI itself

Well the Committee which is looking into it, which is incidentally being led by a retired Judge of impeccable integrity and free of BCCI influence, is in any case set to give Srinivasan a clean chit. Also lets face it, Dhoni's involvement was never really a serious issue.

So really its hardly a negative point and one that could be used to bring a low point into the storytelling, or a high point, or just be ignored altogether as it seems all the big fuss was for nothing. While the report is not final yet, but we get the picture on where it is going.

Yes Sreesanth and those two other clowns will probably go to jail, but as for the rest which made it seem like BCCI was a big betting circus and a result fixing club, was all garbage. Garbage that was gobbled up with interest because of the general dislike for BCCI, and any news that makes them look in a poor light is well received, but ultimately garbage nonetheless. So why pay attention to it much in a film at all.

 

[surendar]

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IPL Champs, CLT20 Champs, World T20, Asia Cup, World Test #1 Side, Champions Trophy, World Cup..

I don't want to bring all those statistics and debate about it as this is just a movie. To answer you in simple form, it's
'#overratedtoomuch!'

 

[Aalay]

I don't want to bring all those statistics and debate about it as this is just a movie. To answer you in simple form, it's
'#overratedtoomuch!'

I do agree that it is a bit early to make a movie on him or do any sort of thing but I don't know how can you say overrated? He has won all the possible trophies there are in cricket, that is not over rated.

 

[surendar]

'Making a movie too early' - didn't you just tell the answer before your question?

Can you point me how much have we won with dominance on England-SA-Aussie soil under his captaincy? We do not know how to win a series outside subcontinent & we are still rabbits outside home though none can beat us in being lions in the own den - be it a OD or Test!

 

[Aalay]

'Making a movie too early' - didn't you just tell the answer before your question?

Can you point me how much have we won with dominance on England-SA-Aussie soil under his captaincy? We do not know how to win a series outside subcontinent & we are still rabbits outside home though none can beat us in being lions in the own den - be it a OD or Test!

I said that because if you are making a movie about a cricketer, you should always start with someone, who was one of the reason most of us started watching this game. I also said it because Dhoni is still playing the game and has not retire yet. If this all came up after his retirement, I would have no problem with that.

You are still not getting the point. Just because we haven't won a series in South Africa or Australia means we can't make a movie on him? Under his leadership we got back the WC after 28 years, something that we will cherish throughout our life. I know we have struggled outside subcontinent but that point no makes sense here.

 

[ethybubs]

how can you say overrated? He has won all the possible trophies there are in cricket, that is not over rated.

I love how he doesn't see the irony of this comment.

 

[grkrama]

Im sure if anyone wants to go down the line of if MS is a great cricketer or captain or not we have pages of content in ind eng tour thread for persual.

 

[PokerAce]

I don't want to bring all those statistics and debate about it as this is just a movie. To answer you in simple form, it's
'#overratedtoomuch!'

The film, definitely is too early as MSD is still playing atleast wait till he retires. However to say, that he is "over-rated" - Just No.

 

[PokerAce]

Can you point me how much have we won with dominance on England-SA-Aussie soil under his captaincy? We do not know how to win a series outside subcontinent & we are still rabbits outside home though none can beat us in being lions in the own den - be it a OD or Test!

See random Test Series is no argument. What about the 4-0 win against Australia then last year. Which India captain has done that ever. You cannot pick random series and then say the captain is good or bad. Lets talk of the concrete - Trophies.

As I said earlier, the most complete captain a skipper can ever have.

IPL, CLT20, World T20, Asia Cup, World Test #1, Champions Trohpy, World Cup.

You cannot have a more complete career than this as a skipper. How that is over-rated I have no idea.

Can you point me how much have we won with dominance on England-SA-Aussie soil under his captaincy? We do not know how to win a series outside subcontinent & we are still rabbits outside home though none can beat us in being lions in the own den - be it a OD or Test!

Also for all the we do not know how to win a series outside India (be it tests or ODs as you say) - Dear friend do you turn up and watch only the Series that India lose. Like did you miss the OD series win in England for instance, with some dominance one could add.

You specifically ask about SA-Eng-Aus.

Well MSD won the World T20 in SA, The Champions Trophy in Eng, thats two Major ICC trophies won in places you say MSD has no clue how to win.

Regardless of how futile I think Int'l T20 is, the fact is World T20 is one of the three ICC events right now.

Oh and Aus, we won the VB series in 2008, and 2-0 in the finals beating Australia. While its not an ICC Event, I would still rate VB series win over the World T20.

So thats three big Trophies in MSD's kitty (World T20 - in SA, Champs Trophy - in Eng, VB Series - in Aus), in places you say he doesn't know how to win! What more does the guy have to do. He has already won every major as Captain there is to win.

Yes we would all like him to win more Test Series aborad, but lets atleast be fair. Yes the ONE thing missing from his kitty is away test wins. But look at everything else he has won.

In light of the ONE blemish, and ignoring the most complete trophy collection there ever has been, the only thing over-rated and over the top is some of the criticism the poor guy gets.

 

[sandykumar]

I am eagerly waiting for the movie but behalf of Dhoni can make movie on sachin's because he is the god of cricket

 

[surendar]

Guess you misread or missed to read 'dominance' word there in my post. I am not saying MSD is worse or bad or pathetic, am saying he is not there yet in legendary line ups! To call him a legend is really overrated in my opinion. As much as I like Dhoni's brave style of gambling - it takes lot more than a successful captain to become a legendary captain. You can't be a legend in leadership if you have no clue on how to lead a test side outside home.

In terms of Waugh-Ponting-Smith dominant leadership, MSD is still well behind. I don't go by number of trophies you got to be a legend, I go by number of wins you get with dominance both outside & home conditions. Quoting examples of 2007-08 as classic victories itself self explains our horrible situation of us outside subcontinent. He has changed lot of things captaincy wise, yes indeed. He deserves standing ovation for his captaincy for India? Yes indeed. But did it went and touched the skies that Waugh/Ponting reached, nopes.

 

[PokerAce]

Guess you misread or missed to read 'dominance' word there in my post. I am not saying MSD is worse or bad or pathetic, am saying he is not there yet in legendary line ups! To call him a legend is really overrated in my opinion. As much as I like Dhoni's brave style of gambling - it takes lot more than a successful captain to become a legendary captain. You can't be a legend in leadership if you have no clue on how to lead a test side outside home.

In terms of Waugh-Ponting-Smith dominant leadership, MSD is still well behind. I don't go by number of trophies you got to be a legend, I go by number of wins you get with dominance both outside & home conditions. Quoting examples of 2007-08 as classic victories itself self explains our horrible situation of us outside subcontinent. He has changed lot of things captaincy wise, yes indeed. He deserves standing ovation for his captaincy for India? Yes indeed. But did it went and touched the skies that Waugh/Ponting reached, nopes.

Its all subjective. Did Waugh win a series in India - No. Did Smith ever deliver a major Trophy - No. For all your fondness of Aussie Captains, Aus have won just 1 test in Asia in the past 7 years - how is that for Dominance. Every Captain will have something at the end that his critics will point to and say oh he didn't do that. With MSD its overseas Tests, but every captain has something.

Does Dhoni have a bowling attack even (forget half as good) a quarter as good as those captains had - No.

Has he still won all those trophies with our half baked medium pacers - Yes

Has he still won Major Trophies outside India with our half baked medium Pacers and Spinners rendered ineffective outside the Sub-Continent - Yes

Has he the most complete trophy collection there is - Yes.

End of.

 

[surendar]

For a pure fan boy, nothing can stop from going on & on, no matter what the reality is. I would defend in same way for RP Singh even if I get a chance to be a fan by some miracle.

 

[PokerAce]

For a pure fan boy, nothing can stop from going on & on, no matter what the reality is. I would defend in same way for RP Singh even if I get a chance to be a fan by some miracle.

You are questioning the competence of the guy who has won every major trophy there is to win, and I am the one how is not seeing reality. Wow, just wow.

Haha, and 'fan boy' thats special praise you teenagers reserve for the very best, isn't it?

When you have nothing factual left to argue on, you get down to ranting and calling me a 'fan boy' !! Thats top of the line stuff, from the teenagers book on names to call people to whom you have lost an argument. If the guy you lose an argument with is arguing in favor of something he is a 'fan boy', if against something he is a 'hater'.

That you reserve some top of the line stuff name calling for me, must mean you clearly got owned there kiddo.

Even I think the film should wait till he retires, but that you start calling into question the guy's whole career over some damn film, jeez. If that film really bothers you that much, then don't watch it and save your daddy's hard earned two bucks. Now run along and be a good boy.