The abuse of Moeen Ali

[MUFC1987]

Moeen abuse shows cricket's dark side

So opinions on this? It seems like Moeen Ali is being booed because of his religion and the origin of his family. How is this acceptable?

Personally, I think it's fantastic that Moeen Ali is in the England side. First and foremost, he's a damn good cricket player, but secondly, he's a fantastic role model for the thousands, if not millions of Muslims who identify themselves as being British. I'm proud that my Country is home to so many different races and religions and it's great to see the England side representing the society of the Country a lot more.

So why the abuse? If England fans booed someone for being Indian, there would be uproar (rightly so), as the article says. So why is this happening and why is it allowed to happen?

 

[grkrama]

Simple anybody using racial slur should be evicted out of the stadium, he wears ENG jersey and has earned it and belongs in it.Officials should take a strong stand in a match or two, im sure then the trend woiuld change.

Its one thing to support country of your origins instead of were you live but its another to abuse the players of any country let alone the nation you reside in.

 

[Skater]

It's all very strange. Are they abusing Moeen because he plays for England, rather than Pakistan, or because he's from a Pakistani background? Either way, it's wrong and I thought cricket, of all sports, did not have a racism issue.

 

[TooDrunkToBeBowled]

Moeen abuse shows cricket's dark side

So opinions on this? It seems like Moeen Ali is being booed because of his religion and the origin of his family. How is this acceptable?

Personally, I think it's fantastic that Moeen Ali is in the England side. First and foremost, he's a damn good cricket player, but secondly, he's a fantastic role model for the thousands, if not millions of Muslims who identify themselves as being British. I'm proud that my Country is home to so many different races and religions and it's great to see the England side representing the society of the Country a lot more.

So why the abuse? If England fans booed someone for being Indian, there would be uproar (rightly so), as the article says. So why is this happening and why is it allowed to happen?

First of all Jadeja did get booed whenever he walked onto the field, and no one felt the need to paint that as racism so why start now.



Moenn Ali being booed is not a racism issue. Booing is not an expression of racism, booing is just disapproval of something, and is not meant to be racist. If some racist words are used then by all means that spectator needs to be evicted.

Booing though is not racism, or racist. Its also not a case of booing him for his religion either. India have had so many muslim players for them, and even in this Md. Shami plays who is a muslim. So don't even try and go the religious angle here, and his religion is not a reason.

Moenn Ali is just getting some stick for being form Pakistan, from Indian fans, which is part of the Indo-Pak banter. Indians and Pakistanis are basically the same race so they cannot possibly be racially abusing someone who is of the same race.

Yes, Moenn Ali has every right to play for England as he is English after all, and he should not get stick for that, or be booed. But to try and paint the stick and booing as racism or intolerance to his religion is just total and utter over-reaction.

 

[Skater]

First of all Jadeja did get booed whenever he walked onto the field, and no one felt the need to paint that as racism so why start now.

Moenn Ali being booed is not a racism issue. Booing is not an expression of racism, booing is just disapproval of something, and is not meant to be racist. If some racist words are used then by all means that spectator needs to be evicted.

Booing though is not racism, or racist.

Moenn Ali is just getting some stick for being form Pakistan, from Indian fans, which is part of the Indo-Pak banter. Indians and Pakistanis are basically the same race so they cannot possibly be racially abusing someone who is of the same race.

Yes, Moenn Ali has every right to play for England as he is English after all, and he should not get stick for that, or be booed. But to try and paint the stick and booing as racism is just total over-reaction.

Booing is not the issue, it's the reasons for the booing that could be construed as racist. I don't think it's an overreaction at all.

 

[TooDrunkToBeBowled]

Booing is not the issue, it's the reasons for the booing that could be construed as racist. I don't think it's an overreaction at all.

What reason for booing? Everyone knows India Pakistan are not exactly each others biggest friends, especially in cricket the rivalry is huge and being from Pakistan, playing against India, he got some stick. How do you read racism into that is beyond me.

How can people of one race, racially abuse someone, who is also of the same race. Its just ridiculous.

Yes got stick and got booed, but he has every right to play for England and he should be getting that kind of stick. However to paint it as racism is lame.

 

[grkrama]

ya what OP said its actually not racist in the literal sense like white and blacks but indo - pak fanatic rivalry either way it shouldn't be encouraged and ground authorities should step into it.

And jadeja anderson incident was totally different and booing was part of the game there to show disapproval to an action committed by the players.

 

[MUFC1987]

First of all Jadeja did get booed whenever he walked onto the field, and no one felt the need to paint that as racism so why start now.

This has no comparison to Jadeja either. Anderson got booed for the same reason and that's fair enough. If you have a genuine reason because of something a player has done, then it's fair game. This is because of either Moeen's faith or his family heritage. I'm not entirely sure which to be honest, but either is unacceptable.

Moenn Ali is just getting some stick for being form Pakistan

He's from Birmingham.

 

[Skater]

What reason for booing? Everyone knows India Pakistan are not exactly each others biggest friends, especially in cricket the rivalry is huge and being from Pakistan, playing against India, he got some stick. How do you read racism into that is beyond me.

How can people of one race, racially abuse someone, who is also of the same race. Its just ridiculous.

I don't know if racism is the right word. It probably isn't. It's not abuse based on skin colour, but it is abuse based on nationality and background and that's still wrong. Whether it's India and Pakistan is irrelevant, you don't want to hear it.

 

[TooDrunkToBeBowled]

This has no comparison to Jadeja either. Anderson got booed for the same reason and that's fair enough. If you have a genuine reason because of something a player has done, then it's fair game. This is because of either Moeen's faith or his family heritage. I'm not entirely sure which to be honest, but either is unacceptable.

He's from Birmingham.

His family is originally from Pakistan, and on the cricket field Ind-Pak rivalry is huge. Being from Pakistan (originally) and playing against India, he got some stick. Indian players get all kind of stick from Pak fans and vice versa. How that is racist is beyond me.

 

[TooDrunkToBeBowled]

I don't know if racism is the right word. It probably isn't. It's not abuse based on skin colour, but it is abuse based on nationality and background and that's still wrong. Whether it's India and Pakistan is irrelevant, you don't want to hear it.

Stick based on nationality is wrong, are you kidding me. Don't you guys give the Aus players all kinds of sticks during the ashes and dont the aus public do the same to the players. Is it for any reason other than the fact that they are Aussies?

Such kind of banter and stick happens all over the world in sports. You can't try and paint that as racist or something. Its part of the fun of supporting a team. You give the guys from the other team some stick, especially if he as some connection to another bigger rival. Like a former Arsenal player gets special stick from Tottenham fans, even when he turns up with the team not Arsenal. That connection is not forgetten. This happens all the time.

Only here you are being over sensitive and trying to see it through all kind an manner of colored lenses.

Moeenn Ali should not get stick ideally, but to try and say that the stick he is getting is for some sinister reasons like racism or religion is just over-reacting.

 

[Skater]

Stick based on nationality is wrong, are you kidding me. Don't you guys give the Aus players all kinds of sticks during the ashes and dont the aus public do the same to the players. Is it for any reason other than the fact that they are Aussies?

Such kind of banter and stick happens all over the world in sports. You can't try and paint that as racist or something. Its part of the fun of supporting a team. You give the guys from the other team some stick, especially if he as some connection to another bigger rival. Like a former Arsenal player gets special stick from Tottenham fans, even when he turns up with the team not Arsenal. That connection is not forgetten. This happens all the time.

Only here you are being over sensitive and trying to see it through all kind an manner of colored lenses.

Moeenn Ali should not get stick ideally, but to try and say that the stick he is getting is for some sinister reasons like racism or religion is just over-reacting.

It depends if the booing was, as you say, 'banter' or whether there was a more nasty intent.

Yes, we have banter with the Aussies but there is no malice there (well, mostly no malice) and I'd have a beer with most Aussies. Apart from Ian Chappell. That's got nothing to do with him being Australian though, it's due to him being an arsehole.

 

[MUFC1987]

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Read the last few paragraphs from Moeen's Dad, I imagine it's hard for anyone to disagree with what he says.

 

[TooDrunkToBeBowled]

It depends if the booing was, as you say, 'banter' or whether there was a more nasty intent.

Yes, we have banter with the Aussies but there is no malice there (well, mostly no malice) and I'd have a beer with most Aussies. Apart from Ian Chappell. That's got nothing to do with him being Australian though, it's due to him being an arsehole.

I am sure there was no nasty intent. Everyone is getting a bit carried away.

Yes he has every right to play for England, and he should not get stick for that. But to try and project that stick as something else is just over-reacting.

Players get booed all the time for various reason, this one didn't cross the line as far as I am concerned.

 

[TooDrunkToBeBowled]

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Read the last few paragraphs from Moeen's Dad, I imagine it's hard for anyone to disagree with what he says.

How can he say he was racially abused. That too by guys of the same race as him. He was booed, end of. Booing is not racial abuse.

The muslim thing is bullsh!t, as the Indian team has had many muslim players play for them, and even now Md. Shami (a muslim) is part of the team. So to say Indian fans were targeting him for being a muslim is nonsense.

Yes he got some stick because he was playing against India and has a clear connection with India's biggest rivals Pakistan. So what. India and Pakistan fans give the other team's players all kinds of stick and abuse in Indo-Pak matches. No one has been over-sensitive about things like that before. I have never hear an Indian player moan about having gotten stick from Pak fans or for that matter Pak players moan about getting stick from Indian fans. Its part of the game, you man up, instead of trying to use the racial angle.

Yes I do get he was disappointed, that his son got booed, and we all get that. He should not have gotten stick he did. But yeah okay, you are playing Int'l cricket and you will get some stick from time to time, and you cannot call it racist everytime that happens.

If he thinks this was a bit much, wait till he goes to Australia as part of the Eng side.