Who does the current Test structure favour?

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I don't mean it favours a team in terms of the Test "championship" such that it is, but I mean do the top teams benefit from it? Do the bottom sides? Do the sides in the middle?

Or should we go to tiered cricket, leagues of 5-7 of similar ability with promotion/relegation?



Here's my case for the bottom sides. Bangladesh and Zimbabwe are treated like noone really wants to play them. Even West Indies and New Zealand are squeezed into the schedule because there is too much cricket. And calls for Ireland to be given Test status are ridiculous because there is just too much cricket already.

Before their break from Test cricket Zimbabwe played only one series involving more than two Tests in 11 series going back to 2002. Australia have only played three Tests against them ever, England six. England play Bangladesh quite regularly, but beat them every time. Is there any point to playing two Tests regularly, losing all of them every time and never progressing? How do Zimbabwe and Bangladesh benefit from the current structure? Even against New Zealand, Bangladesh have a poor record (P9 W0 D1 L8)



Here's my case for the top sides. England play matches against the bottom sides, win most of the time with the odd lost Test and (freak) series defeat. The rest of the sides likewise, affording the weakest sides 1-2 Tests, the middle sides usually three, while maintaining longer series against the top sides through tradition or to build them up as the main event (for ???? through gates and TV). What purpose does playing the weakest sides serve? It isn't like the weakest sides improve or cause many problems, or that England et al want to play that many. They have to play them, they do so when convenient to squeeze in, then get on with the main events. It is a sad but true state of affairs that England used to play West Indies in five match series, England now normally only play them in four Test series which England usually win 3-0 or 4-0. The last series was only two, squeezed in before the Ashes and that may happen more and more.

While many fans seem to fear not playing such and such a side and make a lot of noise opposing such a change, tiers are inevitable if cricket wants to progress. Having two or three tiers would give non-Test sides the chance to join the structure, expand cricket worldwide as more people take notice and interest, and it would reduce the hectic schedule. T20 might well fill some of the gaps in the schedule, TV is always sharp to get as much cricket played as it can, but in a tiered structure the likes of Ireland could come in and the likes of Bangladesh play teams at their level in contests not formalities. And if Bangladesh consistently beat sides of their level then they get promoted and pit themselves against better sides in the next level.




Those opposing such moves may fear a loss of the Ashes series, or that they'll get relegated, but such selfish reservations aren't in the best interests of all. And as I may have pointed out before elsewhere, I've not said England couldn't play Australia if they fit it in their schedule outside of the official leagues/championship - still counting as Tests for the records, just not towards their league points.

To me objection to such a move is 'head in sand' stuff, let's stick with an antiquated set-up with just TEN teams invited to play and ignore the rest of the world and their cricketers so the sport has its niche but is never truly global. Sure the ICC lets the rest of the world play in World Cups from time to time, but if a country doesn't play cricket in competitions their people won't get interested in that sport. In the 80s Sri Lanka made the 'elite club' count seven, Zimbabwe made it eight and South Africa returned to make it nine. Bangladesh made it ten, but the current structure won't cope with more and cricket either changes and adapts, or stays stuck in a system that worked over 50 years ago and can still just about work now, but won't improve or advance.
 
Great stuff, I posted a similar argument for a 2 tier Test structure about a year ago and there was a lot of opposition against it. But times are changing and slowly, but surely, cricket will have to take in the relegation/promotion aspect of championship football.
 
Hmm, it's a good question. I know the 'big' sides never play Zim and Ban much, but is it still worth them being in the top tier? I would argue yes - they need to know how much they suck :p Constantly playing Ireland/Netherlands/Afghanistan etc. would get them regular cricket, but it may not help them identify what they need to do to crack the top 5 in the world ie. long term improvement. Somehow we need to get Zim and Ban playing regular cricket and occasionally against the best teams so they know how to improve. That sounds a bit like the current system, but just get them playing more 'A' tours eg. the Aus A tour of Zim earlier this year - that was a great idea, and that's how the lower teams should be filling their schedules.

I don't really mind that the top teams don't want to play the weaker ones. That's natural. As you imply, the top teams don't get too much out of it, although it can give them a chance to rotate their squads and blood newer players while resting worn out ones. And it screws the Test championship table up a bit, but it also gets the supporters better quality cricket in the long run.

So in summary, I'd keep it like it is. But organise more 'A' matches against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe - maybe even NZ and WI as well.
 
Yeah I just don't see what the formal distinction serves. Especially if you think sides like Ireland shouldn't be playing Tests in the current system, then why find a way to integrate them at their current standard? Let these teams play first class cricket not to score meaningless points, but just in the hope of being better.

Though there's not much to compare it to, Zimbabwe seemed better for playing against South Africa A and Australia earlier in the year; they were certainly better prepared than Bangladesh and were in the contest against Pakistan for 3 days before fading. The real comparison might be in the rest of the Pakistan ODIs, because it would tell where they've come since a poor World Cup showing.

From a commercial aspect, if there's any market at all for Bangladesh cricket, then there's probably one for them hosting Irish or Afghan XIs for 4 day games and ODIs. There shouldn't need to be an intermediate class of cricket just for this to happen. Even Australia A and the England Lions are deemed worthy of coverage.
 
Hmm, it's a good question. I know the 'big' sides never play Zim and Ban much, but is it still worth them being in the top tier? I would argue yes - they need to know how much they suck :p Constantly playing Ireland/Netherlands/Afghanistan etc. would get them regular cricket, but it may not help them identify what they need to do to crack the top 5 in the world ie. long term improvement. Somehow we need to get Zim and Ban playing regular cricket and occasionally against the best teams so they know how to improve. That sounds a bit like the current system, but just get them playing more 'A' tours eg. the Aus A tour of Zim earlier this year - that was a great idea, and that's how the lower teams should be filling their schedules.

I don't really mind that the top teams don't want to play the weaker ones. That's natural. As you imply, the top teams don't get too much out of it, although it can give them a chance to rotate their squads and blood newer players while resting worn out ones. And it screws the Test championship table up a bit, but it also gets the supporters better quality cricket in the long run.

So in summary, I'd keep it like it is. But organise more 'A' matches against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe - maybe even NZ and WI as well.

Yea ZIM & BANG playing Ireland, Afghanistan, Scotland, Namibia, Holland in second tier test cricket isn't going to help them if they are promoted and have to play to a higher tier to play AUS etc. The gap in quality is too big.

Plus you really can't compare it how teams are promoted in football leagues, since the obvious difference is that promoted football teams if they improve can buy players and get better - case in point current English football side Stoke City. In cricket Bangladesh or ZIM cant buy players.

The "A" team idea is good too. Instead of playing weak test nations in another tier, the top nations should send strong "A" teams to ZIM, BANG, IRE - that would be far better preparation for future test battles.
 
Tier system is not the answer. A team like Pakistan can be as bad as Bangladesh or as good as England (used to put Australia here two years back :)) on their day. Encounters involving such unpredictability have produced some magnificent test matches. If a team like Pakistan are relegated to the division of teams like West Indies, New Zealand, and the minnows, it will devoid the cricket of the flair that it so desperately needs. Also bottom teams need to learn to improve the hard way that comes through some bashing from top sides.
 
I disagree with you sami. IMO Tier system would encourage the lower ranked teams to improve more so that they can get promoted. The level of playing field would be balanced and it would also make the dead rubber test matches important. Imagine a team is bottom ranked in top tier. They would move onto 5th position only if they chase down the target. So they would try to play positive instead of going into a shell and just defending all the time. Each match and each point then would have some value. Thus it would make the test cricket more interesting and it would be good for spectators too.

Your argument about Pakistan being as good as England on their day is flawed. Same can be said about Ireland. They did upset some big teams in world cup but that doesnt mean they should be given test status. Test cricket requires consistent performance and teams should be rewarded for that, not for the potential or what could have been.
 
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That was in ODIs. We are talking test here. England will never be beaten by the Irish in a test match for the conceivable future.
 
Tier system will isolate the out form teams with the inform teams which as a result will create even further gaps between good teams and not so good teams. One thing ICC can do is that they can give every team an equal chance to play against each other. One team must tour the other team and next year the other team tour the first team. Give each team equal amount of matches regardless of thier ranking. If we provide enough matches to team like Zimbabwe against top teams they can improve but playing against Kenya or Holland in FC will make them even more dull.

My second point is that no team is at the moment consistent in tests apart from English team and if we talk about all time history then there must be a tier containing Australia only. Pakistan for about 10 years remained number 3 test sides before slipping to number 6 and major reason is lack of old experience players and if there will be a tier system then you will never see any team rising after they will pass through transition period. Young players will only learn if they will play against the stronger teams of there era.
Remember Tendulkar would have been not considered as a great playerif there was a tier system. He became great when he learned from his mistakes against bowlers like Ambrose, Walsh, Wasim, Waqar etc which all were the bowlers of those teams who were far more stronger then India at that time.
Any team have good and bad periods but if by tier system we start to isolate out of form teams or transitional teams then it will be the ultimate death of "test cricket".
 
I'm not sure people fully understand the tier system. If a team like Pakistan plays well and in a second tier they are the most likely to be promoted they deserve their place at the top. But at the end of the next 3-4 year cycle, is Pak are at the bottom of the top tier, they deserve to get relegated, and that goes for any other team for that matter.
 
it's this way because of money.

I would love a cricket world where Scotland could play tests but we can only afford two professional players, (and we have coetzer who is paid by durham and thus owes his lively hood to them) our plays are amatuers and cannot spend 3 months of the year in asia and africa both because they have other commitments and our board cannot afford it. Ireland v Scotland would make no money either, hell, whenever the minnows get a chance to play each other on any sort of stage like the world cup, all anyone does is moan about them getting plastered by the big teams. Why? because they are so utterly uninterested in watching two lower tier teams square off they forget matches like kenya v zimbabwe. yeah, so lets make the matches 5 days long and expect countries that barely know cricket exists to tune in.

the reason bangladesh play england so much is because england bring cash with them every where they go. the only country that guarantee any sort of significant travelling support and will get big crowds for any home test, partly because most commonealth nations have 1st/2nd/3rd generation immigrant populations here. australia are roughly the same. india will make money anywhere but they make much, much more off the bigger series.

Which also is another problem, if you create a tier system you not only create a financially unviable 2nd tier but if a team like sri lanka, new zealand or the windies drop down to playing each other and bangladesh and zimbabwe endlessly then you are subjecting them to potential financial ruin.
 
Plus you really can't compare it how teams are promoted in football leagues, since the obvious difference is that promoted football teams if they improve can buy players and get better - case in point current English football side Stoke City. In cricket Bangladesh or ZIM cant buy players.

Obviously football is another concept, they purchase players and get better - that's a good point. But trying to improve their cricket in domestic level will really give them a balance side.
 
I disagree with you sami. IMO Tier system would encourage the lower ranked teams to improve more so that they can get promoted. The level of playing field would be balanced and it would also make the dead rubber test matches important. Imagine a team is bottom ranked in top tier. They would move onto 5th position only if they chase down the target. So they would try to play positive instead of going into a shell and just defending all the time. Each match and each point then would have some value. Thus it would make the test cricket more interesting and it would be good for spectators too.

Your argument about Pakistan being as good as England on their day is flawed. Same can be said about Ireland. They did upset some big teams in world cup but that doesnt mean they should be given test status. Test cricket requires consistent performance and teams should be rewarded for that, not for the potential or what could have been.

If the teams play others at their level they will have a chance to flourish rather than just be under the cosh all the time. You get better matches and series when two sides are evenly matched, when England play Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, West Indies and New Zealand it is normally a question of 'will England win?' and how easily, and 'will there be an upset?'. Without looking up the stats England have lost like once to those four teams in a series since the beginning of 2000. What did the opposition gain?

Do Bangladesh gain from losing all the time? I think they can improve with an evenly matched contest against say West Indies, New Zealand, Zimbabwe, Ireland and Scotland. They'll find some relatively easy (to begin with), find others harder and it will produce cricket worth watching. If they get promoted and then lose a lot, how will it differ to losing a lot now?!?!? At least they'd go up with confidence, having earned it and maybe even developed as a team.

Football might not be the best comparison to make, maybe the better comparison is with county cricket. I can't see why it should be written off, worst case scenario we're in the same predicament as we are already but with more teams playing Test cricket which will spread the game further afield than the elite 10
 

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