Virender Sehwag- Overrated? Underrated?

[Highlander999]

And if Sohum doesn't do it, I'll do it, and I have a trigger happy infraction finger

 

[metallics2006]

And if Sohum doesn't do it, I'll do it, and I have a trigger happy infraction finger

Triggers? Jeez, you sound like a terrorist.

 

[King Cricket]

^No, a staff member trying to imitate our great Nixon.

 

[Dare]

I thought King_Cricket's summary post on this page was quite accurate.

Also, please remember that riling up other members just for the sake of riling them up is considered trolling and will be infracted in the future.

funny how Ben is allowed to rile up people but when something is said towards him you immediately get PMed by mods (you know who you are) protecting the little kid.

 

[King Cricket]

I'm going to be honest here. I've been reading your posts in reply to Ben with a huge smile on my face the last few weeks. Nearly every post you complain about Ben, but post something even more stupid. The "typical 1 year old post" comment is near the top. Your worse then Ben atm, because Ben doesn't complain about everyone else. That said, I don't actually think Ben is bad and I don't understand why everyone always tries to pay him out? He has serious skill in the way he picks certain stats to make players look bad, and others good lol.

Yeah, eveyone includes nigtprowler whom he called a "clown" some days ago. That also includes Mukund Nadkarni whom he called a "mojo", although that was a joke.

That said, I don't actually think Ben is bad and I don't understand why everyone always tries to pay him out?

He is not too bad. Who says he's bad? He's fine. He thinks Gavaskar is a "fraud", all the other sub-continental players except for Dravid, and Sachin are way too "over-rated", Malcolm Marshall is a "medium pace trundler" and Philip Hughes is equal to Sachin, better than Kirsten, Anwar, and Gavaskar. They are quite accurate judgements, right. I have no problem with stats. It is an e-forum and we can all debate over players, but I wish he stopped calling these names.

The "typical 1 year old post" comment is near the top.

Bradman really was the major-general of the Australian army in WWII, right? I know very well it's a joke. I'm talking about it's subject matter.

 

[King Pietersen]

He is not too bad. Who says he's bad? He's fine. He thinks Gavaskar is a "fraud", all the other sub-continental players except for Dravid, and Sachin are way too "over-rated", Malcolm Marshall is a "medium pace trundler" and Philip Hughes is equal to Sachin, better than Kirsten, Anwar, and Gavaskar. They are quite accurate judgements, right. I have no problem with stats. It is an e-forum and we can all debate over players, but I wish he stopped calling these names.

He actually rates Gavaskar quite highly iirc, and I don't remember him ever calling Gavaskar a fraud. He did with various other players though, mainly Sri Lankans and Pakistani's. He's wrong about Marshall, and he doesn't seriously rate Hughes higher than Sachin and Gavaskar, just does it to wind you lot up, and it clearly works.

You continually make these 'lets stop throwing mud' posts, but you're worse than Ben. One minute you're saying stop arguing, and the next you're provoking an argument. Make ya mind up.

 

[King Cricket]

He actually rates Gavaskar quite highly iirc, and I don't remember him ever calling Gavaskar a fraud. He did with various other players though, mainly Sri Lankans and Pakistani's. He's wrong about Marshall, and he doesn't seriously rate Hughes higher than Sachin and Gavaskar, just does it to wind you lot up, and it clearly works.

You continually make these 'lets stop throwing mud' posts, but you're worse than Ben. One minute you're saying stop arguing, and the next you're provoking an argument. Make ya mind up.

I don't think anyone can keep quiet after seeing what Ben is posting in the forums. I posted "stop arguing" before seeing some Benny posts in the forums. I really don't want any more quarrels, but I'm telling this frankly, I really feel insulted when somebody insults Gavaskar or Sachin. But two wrongs don't make a right. I'll try to control my emotions in the future, but forgive me for posting one/two stupid posts when I get driven by them. Really speaking, I need to learn the art of controlling them. Sorry, but this is my main problem- I get wound up when people posts something to make me wound up. Anyway, I'll try to avoid Ben from nowadays, and I'll try to rectify myself.

 

[metallics2006]

 

[cric_encyclo]

i agree to what u say.He has certainly risen to the task in past tweelve months and now i think he is the backbone of indian cricket team.

 

[SaiSrini]

Agree with Ben, Sehwag is a opener and that's what he should be rated as.

Bull crap... A batsman is rated as a batsman. Opening is just a position.

saisrini80 added 1 Minutes and 1 Seconds later...

But when you compare Opening Batsman (which is what Sehwag is) then it is pointless to add on scores when they batted in different positions because it is irrelevant to the Opening Batsman arguement.

The thread is about Virender Sehwag, not whether he is an opening batsman or a tail ender.

saisrini80 added 1 Minutes and 40 Seconds later...

Stats are the only thing that makes Sehwag be comparable to players that are allot better then him. Without stats then Sehwag is nothing and doesn't rank in the top 20 batsman of the past decade.

A player is a nobody without stats. What logic are you onto, man? Accept it or not, a huge majority of the people rate players based on stats.

 

[Dare]

Bull crap... A batsman is rated as a batsman. Opening is just a position.

yea as a opening batsman, you read a few posts down and I said I don't agree with his stats being left out even if he didn't open.

 

[mattfb]

Yeah, eveyone includes nigtprowler whom he called a "clown" some days ago. That also includes Mukund Nadkarni whom he called a "mojo", although that was a joke.

That's not complaining about everyone. You and a lot of others probably bring up Bens name or complain about him 10 times a week each.

He is not too bad. Who says he's bad? He's fine. He thinks Gavaskar is a "fraud", all the other sub-continental players except for Dravid, and Sachin are way too "over-rated", Malcolm Marshall is a "medium pace trundler" and Philip Hughes is equal to Sachin, better than Kirsten, Anwar, and Gavaskar. They are quite accurate judgements, right. I have no problem with stats. It is an e-forum and we can all debate over players, but I wish he stopped calling these names.

Well, I guess reading sarcasm and knowing when someone is trying to wind you up isn't a skill everyone has....

Bradman really was the major-general of the Australian army in WWII, right? I know very well it's a joke. I'm talking about it's subject matter.

I have no idea what this has to do with anything. I am talking about a thread where Ben said: "Typical 10 year old post" and you replied with "Typical 1 year old post" which quite simply is ridiculous.

 

[King Cricket]

Well, I guess reading sarcasm and knowing when someone is trying to wind you up isn't a skill everyone has....

Quite right, it is not a skill which everyone has. Remember Precambrian? You may not, but Dan surely hasn't forgotten him. Remember MS Dhoni? Know about a man called Max Dillon who registered here in 2007? Of course you do. Remember how Precambrian tried to wind Dan up by comparing KP with Dhoni? And how Dan reacted to him? Why only Dan, I think each and every member of PC started to slam Precambrian after that thread. Specially after the Bradman-Dhoni thread created by Dan, which he created after he got wound up (Do you still think Dan, that Precamb's method of comparing players was at all serious?). How you guys used to react to MS Dhoni and Dillonguys posts even some days ago! I used to just laugh at you all. Didn't you guys for even a single moment think that these guys were trying to wind you up? Dan created a whole thread getting wound up. Ben started slamming Precambrian getting wound up, he even called the Indians "stupid" when Max Dillon and MS Dhoni were winding him up by continuously claiming MS Dhoni, Yuvraj and Sehwag are the best in the world. (I still remember some reactions to these posts, they make me :laugh) Tom started slamming other guys seeing the "Yuvraj Singh is the best yeah yeah" thread getting wound up, atleast three people misunderstood my joke in that thread as a racial post getting wound up- well, I guess not everyone can understand jokes and sarcasm. And I guess everyone gets hurt when someone insults his/her favourite player be it just to wind others up or be it just as a joke. When they see these posts, they just get angry and give a strong reaction to these posts before anything else comes in their mind. I hope you understand what I say.

King Cricket added 11 Minutes and 47 Seconds later...

That's not complaining about everyone. You and a lot of others probably bring up Bens name or complain about him 10 times a week each.

Hmmm, when our three musketeers, Precamb, MSD, and Dillonguy- when all three of them where active you guys used to complain about them 30 times a week because they used to insult your favourite players just to wind you up. Their posts were very much like Ben's posts, just that Ben searches cricinfo and brings up some weird stats to defame players or in other words to wind certain guys up and they didn't use to do that. We (Indians) don't blame you as we would have(are) doing the same thing when someone from another country is insulting our favourite players to wind us up. When people see these "wind up" posts they don't remain in a state of mind to judge and understand them properly. Same happened with you all, same is happening with us.

I have no idea what this has to do with anything. I am talking about a thread where Ben said: "Typical 10 year old post" and you replied with "Typical 1 year old post" which quite simply is ridiculous.

I know mate.
"Just out of curiosity, did Bradman participate in World War II?"
I meant to react to the first line, not the second.

BTW, has it now become a tradition to wind people up by insulting his favourite players?

 

[Highlander999]

How in any way are these last couple of posts related to the topic? Don't want to see anymore of this. Either you post about the topic or you don't post at all!

 

[aussie_ben91]

I love how people put words into my mouth and how Matthew Hayden can't be compared to Sunil Gavaskar despite the fact that Gavaskar scored 22 hundreds (out of 34) in drawn matches whilst Hayden scored 23 hundreds in won matches (out of 30) and yet Hayden gets called a flat-track bully? But yet the epitome of a flattrack bully - Virender Sehwag is considered 'close' to Matthew Hayden.

Hayden is massively underrated and doesn't get anywhere near as much as credit as he deserves. He played a massive part in Australia's dominance; more then he gets reconigition for. That's why the likes of Glenn McGrath, Steve Waugh & Ricky Ponting all rate Hayden so highly and all believe that he is one of the alltime greats.

Without Hayden, Australia wouldn't of been the dominant force that they have been. Even after the retirements of McGrath & Warne, Australia still maintained their dominance throughout world cricket but it wasn't until Hayden's decline that teams like South Africa & India were able to topple the Australians.

Australia was the best team in world cricket when Hayden came into the side, but they were by no means dominant. It wasn't until Steve Waugh took over the captaincy that Hayden was rewarded with the opportunities that he rightfully deserved. Steve Waugh believed in Hayden and predicted that Hayden could average 50 in Test Cricket.

It was a shame that Mark Taylor was ever made captain because had he not been captain that he would've dropped in the mid 1990's and Hayden would've gotten his chance to cement his spot in the Australian lineup. Hayden was shafted into world cricket against the best sides The West Indies & South Africa and despite that he outperformed Mark Taylor comprehensively. He made a century in Adelaide 1997 and would've made another one in Perth against Ambrose, Walsh & Bishop had he not thrown his wicket away in the second innings to Carl Hooper on 47. In someways Mark Taylor's captaincy was probably a blessing in disguise because it filled Hayden's hunger to score 30 hundreds in just 94 Tests.