2021 ICC Men's T20 World Cup - India (UAE/Oman)

[icyman]

Can BCCI hire Nazmul Hossain (BCB) for a pep talk?

 

[icyman]

Talking of the BCB here- What happened yesterday ?

Heard Liton Das slapped/ physically hit some Lankan player? Is this acceptable?

 

[Going North]

For the first time we played a t20 world cup against India without Shahid Afridi and we won :P

Ball was not swing when Babar / Rizwan bats.

Indian bombay base cricketer especially Rohit/
Suryakumar & IPL MI's Hardik failed to impress at all.
Hardik was wrong selection especially when he not able to bowls, Shardul should be there.
Rahul was given> on No Ball.

Ash & Kishan should pick.

 

[icyman]

Ball was not swing when Babar / Rizwan bats.

Indian bombay base cricketer especially Rohit/
Suryakumar & IPL MI's Hardik failed to impress at all.

Everyone knew the dew factor would be in. India should have better acclimatized themselves as they had a month long IPL there. Either we are too tired or we simply couldn't acclimatize.

Bombay base/lobby- Tired of hearing this word.

Would you drop Rohit? Yes, he didn't do well. And I agree that the rest screwed up too. In essence, the selection was horrible from the beginning- SKY and Hardik have been out of form and shouldnt have been taken to the main event.

Rahul was given> on No Ball.

Would it have made a difference? In my opinion, NO! KLR would still have played a selfish knock. Highly unlikely that he was going to thrash a 30 ball 100 propelling India to 251 instead. In all fairness, Pakistan outplayed us. A total of 220 too, wasn't safe here.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

As promised, I will give my two cents-

I remember being utterly thrashed by Pakistani posters here for calling the CT final win a fluke and I maintain it. Yesterday was no fluke. I don't even think India played all that badly. I think Pakistan just were outstanding and won on merit.

A few observations from my side are-

1) India look exhausted. I think this Indian team can be distinguished from a distance and the body language was a far cry from some of the days we have produced in far more challenging and adverse situations over the past year.

2) Our template is jaded. It has been going on for a while and the lack of a sixth bowler was obvious. People keep talking about our semi final loss due to the half an hour of batting but it still amazes me that nobody talks about how bad Chahal was that game and how Shami did not play! The dew last night was atrocious and Jadeja did an outstanding job but Chakravarty got tonked.

3) The biggest positive from yesterday was Kohli. He was not looking to slog, he played on the merit of the ball and just looked Kohli. I hope someone says something to him that really p!sses him off.

Lastly, I had predicted that Pakistan will come roaring at the world before this competition began. When you keep cornering someone, this is what happens. Also, they look incredibly fresh and ready for a big comp.

 

[AliB]

The way we thrashed Australia and England in the warmups with people like Rohit, Kohli, Shami, Bumrah being rested at some point each, and then in the main competition we get thrashed liked shit, this has one clear point that we keep on playing Aus/Eng continuously but we never play Pak outside the WCs, sole reason why we don't have an idea of how they play thus we were clueless on Plan Bs and Cs. Regardless, with the current government I doubt any bilateral series though.

 

[icyman]

I agree with most of the points raised by @LiveLoveABD ,expect the Kohli bit. In my opinion, Kohli played a pretty selfish knock. Yes, wickets were falling on the other end, at regular intervals- however, the Indian captain seemed intent upon batting it out. There was the MSD-esque tendency to bat deep and attack at the very end. A tactic, that India has regularly failed at. Knowing full well that there weren't many hitters to follow, Kohli ought to have accelerated throughout the innings.

Another pointer for me was the elevation of Ravindra Jadeja- Jaddu came in, in over #13. Did little to increase the run flow. An out of form Hardik should have been sent up the order and given a free license to swing at everything. Well, so much for strategizing from my arm-chair. Unless India gets it acts right vs NZ, am afraid we are staring at an early exit here.

By contrast, the other group will have more close contests and the top 2 from that, wont probably be decided until the very end.

 

[icyman]

The way we thrashed Australia and England in the warmups with people like Rohit, Kohli, Shami, Bumrah being rested at some point each, and then in the main competition we get thrashed liked shit, this has one clear point that we keep on playing Aus/Eng continuously but we never play Pak outside the WCs, sole reason why we don't have an idea of how they play thus we were clueless on Plan Bs and Cs. Regardless, with the current government I doubt any bilateral series though.

No, by that logic, we ought to lose against everyone else in the group too! We never saw Scotland or Namibia.

The problem is that we select our XI based on emotions and historical innings played*. No one gives a damn to the current form and we continue using such players over and over again. Bhuvi, Hardik, SKY aren't the first choice when it comes to current form. Yet, we played and persisted with them. Kishan, who has been in scintillating touch has been ignored. So has Shreyas Iyer (not a part of the actual XI)

Plan B & Plan C- when it comes to the middle order and the last bowling option, we are as clueless as we were since the start of the CWC2019. Pant is good, but is brainless at the same time. So, with such players, there really isnt a scope to look at Plan B & C.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

I don't feel that India are going to make an early exit. They did lose yesterday but again one match doesn't decide the fate of rest of the tournament. There are few things that should be looked upon and I am sure the team management will get things work in a better way.

On to Kohli's knock I believe he looked far better yesterday as compared to IPL. Scores always don't show the full picture. He showed a lot of intent of pushing the scoring rate and possibly tried his best to just do everything he can.

As @SaiSrini said Jadeja should be given a license to go for everything in the last couple of overs and should not be sent before the 15th over. If we can somehow get Ashwin play it would be great. Shardul over Bhuvi seems to be the right choice atm.

Also I don't think SKY has done really badly to be left out. He just seemed to be finding his touch at the later end of the IPL and the Warm-ups. I am sure he is going to be crucial for India at some point. I would rather have this side play-

KLR
Rohit
Virat
Kishan
SKY
Pant
Jadeja
Ashwin
Shardul
Shami
Bumrah

Unfortunately we are a bowler short! But we cannot do anything about it now so it would be right to play one extra batsman over Hardik. India just needs to be wary of the match ups against them and they might just do better.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

Just a word for Babar-

I don't think I have seen Pakistan have such an astute Captain in my decade of following this game. And I think he might just be someone who leads in a way that Pakistan lacked big time! I think he is going to lead Pakistan for a long time.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

All joking from yesterday aside. I felt India just came up against a team that had three star players perform to their best. After the start, fighting back to 150 was pretty good. But, Pakistan would've beat anyone yesterday. Star quality can elevate a team in T20 more than other formats. Wiese has made a big difference to Namibia. When Scotland have their county bowlers, Wheal and Davey, they look much more competitive.

I think India are somewhat cursed by too many options, not to mention too many opinions. There's always a better player who isn't being picked. That being said, I would've played at least one more spinner yesterday and not bowled Shami in the power play.

A Pakistan win tomorrow could be the best thing for India.

 

[icyman]

I am getting very strong CWC2007 vibes here. Probably gonna see some tears at the end of the game versus either Afghanistan/ Scotland.

A Pakistan win tomorrow could be the best thing for India.

It could, but knowing Pakistan, complacency can set in.

Btw, when did you become a Mod? Or were you always one?

 

[Targaryen]

I am getting very strong CWC2007 vibes here. Probably gonna see some tears at the end of the game versus either Afghanistan/ Scotland.


It could, but knowing Pakistan, complacency can set in.

Btw, when did you become a Mod? Or were you always one?

He was always the one. wasteyouryouth for PC Admin.

 

[icyman]

I think he is going to lead Pakistan for a long time.

Err! With Raja ji in the driver's seat, dont think so! All Babar needs is for his team to succumb to a massive loss + Rizwan to lead his domestic team to victory.

I had the same feeling when Sarfaraz lifted the ICC CT. In my opinion, he was very underrated as a leader. Till date, Sarfaraz is the only one to beat India twice in a ICC final.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

twice

Which one apart from Champions Trophy 2017?