Cannot sweep the ball... AT ALL

[Can'tBatCan'tBowl]

I just got this and there seems to be a bug where you cannot sweep the ball. When you play a sweeps shot with LB against a spin bowler, the batter sweeps but the bat wiffs through the ball completely. I've used the replay a number of times to confirm this and the ball does indeed wiff through the ball, as if it isn't there, although clearly making contact with the meat of the bat. I first thought it was just timing related, but the ball simply cannot be swept. It's like the collision detection for the sweeps shot is just not there... It makes using the sweep shot a near guaranteed LBW appeal or dismissal.

I tried to record this glitch through Fraps, but the game crashed. I'll try again later. Is this a know problem with the sweep shot? Kind of breaks the game against spinners if you cannot sweep them...

 

[Scrogs]

I believe the sweep shot is in there somewhere. If I remember correctly, you have to play this shot whilst hitting the 'advance down wicket' modifier.

 

[Arun A B]

you should wait more to sweep against spinners. I usually do reverse sweep than normal ones

 

[T.J.Hooker]

I first thought it was just timing related, but the ball simply cannot be swept. It's like the collision detection for the sweeps shot is just not there... It makes using the sweep shot a near guaranteed LBW appeal or dismissal.

You're correct in that there is no collision detection. That's not how the game works. It's not like an old sprite game where interactions take place on screen in real time. Instead it calculates the interaction between the delivery and your input, and then displays a graphical representation on screen.

So basically, your timing is a separate issue from whatever you're seeing on screen. DBC generally requires early timing so I'm guessing if you hit the right stick earlier you'll find yourself hitting the ball.

The other potential issue is that if you know how to play the sweep in real life then you might be picking the wrong ball. The DBC sweep works on shorter lengths than the real life shot, as a sort of replacement for the pull shot, which isn't available against spin a lot of the time. I think of it like batting on a slow, low track where the pull shot is dodgy but where you can sweep shorter deliveries more freely because the top edge is more or less out of the equation.

The other thing that's prob worth mentioning is that the sweep is a bit underpowered whereas the leg glance will ping off to the fence if you time it vs spin very much like it does vs quicker bowlers.

 

[Can'tBatCan'tBowl]

^ Hmmm... I'll try it again (for the hundredth time!). But the thing is, the graphic of the ball clips straight through the graphic of the meat of the bat.

I've played cricket and watched it extensively, so I know how a sweep should be played. I also think it's unlikely I've miss-timed the shot that many times. Another thing is, I'm certain I've seen the shot played in this game a while back on some gameplay footage (very similarly to how I'm trying to play it now). As such, this makes me think that perhaps this is new bug... something that has cropped up after patching / updates...? Can anyone confirm weather sweeps worked differently through the various patch states of the game?

Sweeping is one of the safer shots against spinners as it tends to negate spin, stifles LBW's (if the front foot is lunged well froward) and allows for the ball to be hit to various parts of the on side field. If its prerequisites in this game are so exacting (like having to advance down wicket and play balls you wouldn't think are sweepable), it's pretty silly.

 

[SpitfiresKent]

Here's some sweeps I played earlier

Sweeping is very easy to play although it is tough to get boundaries from playing the shot.

 

[cricket_online]

^ Hmmm... I'll try it again (for the hundredth time!). But the thing is, the graphic of the ball clips straight through the graphic of the meat of the bat.

I've played cricket and watched it extensively, so I know how a sweep should be played. I also think it's unlikely I've miss-timed the shot that many times. Another thing is, I'm certain I've seen the shot played in this game a while back on some gameplay footage (very similarly to how I'm trying to play it now). As such, this makes me think that perhaps this is new bug... something that has cropped up after patching / updates...? Can anyone confirm weather sweeps worked differently through the various patch states of the game?

Sweeping is one of the safer shots against spinners as it tends to negate spin, stifles LBW's (if the front foot is lunged well froward) and allows for the ball to be hit to various parts of the on side field. If its prerequisites in this game are so exacting (like having to advance down wicket and play balls you wouldn't think are sweepable), it's pretty silly.

Are you moving the Left Stick (footwork) back or front while playin the sweep shot?

 

[T.J.Hooker]

^ Hmmm... I'll try it again (for the hundredth time!). But the thing is, the graphic of the ball clips straight through the graphic of the meat of the bat.

Dude, I've just explained that there's no on screen collision detection. When the ball goes through the bat, it means your input resulted in a miss but the graphics engine messed up the rendering of the physics slightly.

A lot of DBC shots need early timing. If you hit the stick when you would swing your bat in real life you will usually find you played too late. The sweep shot is pretty easy in DBC if you hit the stick at the right time, but the "correct" DBC timing does not necessarily reflect the timing of the swing in real life.

 

[Can'tBatCan'tBowl]

Are you moving the Left Stick (footwork) back or front while playin the sweep shot?

Forward, as that the logical way to play the shot -- plant the front foot as far forward as possible and sweep the ball on the volley to negates so much spin as possible.

Am I doin' it wrong? Is there a some 'quirk' to playing sweep shot in this game?

A lot of DBC shots need early timing. If you hit the stick when you would swing your bat in real life you will usually find you played too late. The sweep shot is pretty easy in DBC if you hit the stick at the right time, but the "correct" DBC timing does not necessarily reflect the timing of the swing in real life.

Ok. Fine. So, how do I sweep a spin bowler? (Footwork, timing, button(s) that need to be pressed...)

 

[Can'tBatCan'tBowl]

Okay. I've found a way to play sweeps shots > LT + LB or LT + RT + LB. Footwork seem immaterial with this shot; both front and back foot work / make scant discernible difference to the way the sweep shot is played.

Another 'foible' is, playing sweeps behind square is very difficult (most shots go in front of square, even if the balls are bowled down leg side), very, very difficult to hit boundaries sweeping and seemingly impossible to hit 6's. It feels like there's no power on sweeps, no matter what the player's attributes or shot timing, and the shot is just guided to the on side (forward of square). In addition, the fact that the LT (lofted / aggressive shot modifier) button doesn't seem to serve its stated function when sweeping (haven't been able to loft a single sweep), mean that it feels decidedly canned.

Quiet unusual sweep shot coding. I also now noticed the said lack "collision detection", as not being able to sweep the ball behind square leg (or fine), no matter where the ball pitches / is made contact with, smacks of a predetermined shot, not a real time calculation.

 

[MattW]

The LT and RT buttons act alone when batting - there's no need and no option to press other buttons when trying to sweep or advance down the ground.

 

[T.J.Hooker]

Quiet unusual sweep shot coding. I also now noticed the said lack "collision detection", as not being able to sweep the ball behind square leg (or fine), no matter where the ball pitches / is made contact with, smacks of a predetermined shot, not a real time calculation.

Well I'm not a developer so I can't speak with any great authority, but you're imagining a model where you're aiming the bat at the ball and then witnessing the resulting interaction, and that's not how the system works.

Rather, you observe the early part of the delivery and then make a footwork / swing type / timing input, and the game interprets how good your input is, works out an interaction that reflects this and then displays the result on screen.

Hopefully one of the Big Ants will correct me if I'm too far wrong with that description.

 

[cricket_online]

Okay. I've found a way to play sweeps shots > LT + LB or LT + RT + LB. Footwork seem immaterial with this shot; both front and back foot work / make scant discernible difference to the way the sweep shot is played.

Another 'foible' is, playing sweeps behind square is very difficult (most shots go in front of square, even if the balls are bowled down leg side), very, very difficult to hit boundaries sweeping and seemingly impossible to hit 6's. It feels like there's no power on sweeps, no matter what the player's attributes or shot timing, and the shot is just guided to the on side (forward of square). In addition, the fact that the LT (lofted / aggressive shot modifier) button doesn't seem to serve its stated function when sweeping (haven't been able to loft a single sweep), mean that it feels decidedly canned.

Quiet unusual sweep shot coding. I also now noticed the said lack "collision detection", as not being able to sweep the ball behind square leg (or fine), no matter where the ball pitches / is made contact with, smacks of a predetermined shot, not a real time calculation.

As Matt mentioned you simply need to press L1 (or LB) along with left stick forward and right stick to the left (or right in case of reverse sweep assuming you are a right handed batsman) to play the shot. If any one of these three inputs is not provided, you will not be able to play the shot.

 

[Can'tBatCan'tBowl]

^ I can only reliably play the shot while depressing the left-trigger / aggressive shot modifier together with left-bumper / unique shot button. If I use only LB and right-stick footwork, it misses without fail. (I tested this in practice mode and then took it to into to an actual match -- same in both settings). And there's definitely no way to hit 6's or to put any real power into sweep shots, from my experimentation.

 

[MattW]

If you're playing on Pro or higher you'll need to have the left stick going forward or back for footwork and then using the right stick pushing that left or right depending on which sweep you want when the ball is within range. Two sticks and just the LB button - no triggers.

As there's no modifiers on sweep shots you can't sweep for six - you can get a four on really good timing of the shot, but timing is the only factor you have as to how successful the shot will be and the exact direction the shot goes in.