Facing the facts of history - Windies greater than Aussies

This thread is pure bs, all i can see full of biased posts
 
This thread is extremely biased. Sobers is a better batsman because he faced really fast bowling and average 60 and played in "fast" pitches which the ball use to zip past you. Ambrose however is pretty much even with Mcgrath. Mcgrath played in "flatter" pitches and averaged lower. Take one arguement or the other people.
 
aussie_ben91 said:
There is no saying that anyone else from a different era (barring Bradman) would've had more success then Ponting if they had've played in the current era. Neither Tendulkar or Lara could so I doubt that the likes of Graeme Pollock, Jack Hobbs or George Headley or anyone else would've had more success then him.
Ponting's such a talented batsman that I think that if he had've been brought up in any era then he would've adjusted to the conditions perfectly.
Don't bother that Ponting had the advantage with bats and small grounds. I for one, bet that Viv Richards played on smaller grounds in Jamacia then what Ponting does in Australia and that bats have only been more of an advantage to batsman over the past 3-4 years.

Although I maintain that the bowlers of 30+ years ago aren't as fast as modern bowlers. I've seen videos of them bowling and compared them with modern bowlers and I reckon Jeff Thomson rarely (if ever) bowled at over 90mph. I bet he was at about 87mph at his peak.
Bowling fulltosses in a gimmick fast bowling competition isn't going to decrease the speed of the ball very much, especially when the bowler is bowling the bowl from only 22 yards away.

Hayden is far better then Gordon Greenidge or Desmond Haynes. Hayden dominated in India (according to modern players is the hardest place to tour in world cricket) in 2001 and then went to South Africa in 2002 and destroyed Shaun Pollock and ended Allan Donald's career and furthmore became ranked the best batsman in the world. He followed that up by smashing 300 in a match against England at the GABBA, which is one of the most dicest pitches in Australia for Opening Batsman, along side the WACCA.
Bowlers of the modern era haven't been as good as the ones in the past because of batsman like Hayden who never allowed them to settle from the word go.
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Sobers would have had a way higher average if he was playing on pitches like the ones players play on today. So would have Viv, GG and Haynes.

and you have a point that the bowlers of the past might not have been faster than the ones today but the bowlers today have much more advanced practice facilities and benefits of videos and things like that to help them. It might not make that much difference but it does to some extent.

and dont ignore Clive Lloyd one of the best captains ever.
 
the 15 year streak when the WI didn't lose a series started in 1980 when WI toured England and won and ended in 94.95 when Australia beat the WI. For me the era of WI dominance started when Lloyd took over as captain.
 
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I haven't seen the Windies fast bowlers but Gillespie certainly was feared back in his hay day. One of those unlucky bowlers that could have got more wickets with more luck instead saw it go to McGrath.

McGrath, Warne and Gillespie certainly could give the Windies bowlers a run for their money, they may not frighten teams like the Windies bowlers but they still get the wickets. The obvious missing fact is no real 4th bowler to make that combo one of the greats.
 
shubhrayu said:
Ponting's anytime better than Viv
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Your say everything for Ponting but no. Vic Richard was a great player and yes Ponting is better if you compare them on the paper but I think Viv was far better player than Ponting. He played where bowling attacks were top class and werent flat pitches as they are now.
 
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shubhrayu said:
Can't be better than McGrath,Lee,Warne,Kasprowicz and Gillespie
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That is extremely Biased. Marshall, Holding an Garner in particular just were practically impossible to face. Once you get through one of them, you have another to face, then the other, then another. Kasprowicz even being compared to them is a joke. McGrath can make the Windies bowlers imo though.

Like Syl said Dizzy was feared in his day, he was a very good bowler and could nip it in or away. He always had batsmen second guessing which resulted in a lot of catches to the Keeper/slips and clean bowled. Gillespie was a god bowler but I wouldn't compare him to Marshall, Holding or Garner.

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Jit said:
Your say everything for Ponting but no. Vic Richard was a great player and yes Ponting is little better than him just little but Gary Sobers beats Ponting.
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In terms of Batting I disagree that Sobers is better then Punter but in the all round game I would say Sobers is better then Ponting thanks to Sobers bowling.

Ponting has 36 hundreds and 41 fiftys, nearly every second time he passes fifty he gets a ton! That's amazing! Its a lot lot better then Richards 24 tons and 40 something fiftys, and even better then Lara who has 34 tons and 48 fiftys. I think Ponting is better then Richards, Sobers, Richie Richardson and Lara in batting, but Sobers bowling has to put him just in front of Ponting in terms of who's a better player.
 
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shubhrayu said:
Can't be better than McGrath,Lee,Warne,Kasprowicz and Gillespie
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Dude look beyond Aussies please because that WI attack is far better than these players. Yes these bowlers were top class but WI bowlers were far more better.
 
Dare said:
the 15 year streak when the WI didn't lose a match started in 1980 when WI toured England and won and ended in 94.95 when Australia beat the WI. For me the era of WI dominance started when Lloyd took over as captain.
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The West Indies didn't lose a match in 15 years?! I didn't know that. Close the thread now. ;)
 
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