General Cricket Discussion

[Jack7]

Leader word is not enough for Dhoni. He was a guide.

He forgot to read the run chasing guide though. Dude left it too late to accelerate almost always. Shame as one of the most talented players in the history of the game apart from that part.

 

[Mijurkat]

He forgot to read the run chasing guide though. Dude left it too late to accelerate almost always. Shame as one of the most talented players in the history of the game apart from that part.

That's the way he played. Nothing shameful in that. I didn't have any issue with his finishing skills. I like, Dhoni for his leadership skills and achivements for India. He was a guide for the young talents. Don't concentrate on the negative aspects of life. It will make your life hell. The whole universe is imperfect. Don't be a loyal servant of your mind.

 

[ddrap14]

He may have struggled with some chasing aspects but he will forever be remembered for coming through in the most important chase of his career.

 

[Aislabie]

Don't concentrate on negative aspects of life. It will make your life hell. The whole universe is imperfect. Don't be a loyal servant of your mind

This seems like a pretty overblown reaction to "maybe Dhoni wasn't perfect" but it is much better out of context

 

[Jack7]

That's the way he played. Nothing shameful in that. I didn't have any issue with his finishing skills. I like, Dhoni for his leadership skills and achivements for India. He was a guide for the young talents. Don't concentrate on the negative aspects of life. It will make your life hell. The whole universe is imperfect. Don't be a loyal servant of your mind.

You forgot to read the last line of my post it seems. You need to practice what you preach.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

He forgot to read the run chasing guide though. Dude left it too late to accelerate almost always. Shame as one of the most talented players in the history of the game apart from that part.

Well that's like saying Dale Steyn never knew what to bowl since he struggled at the death?

Probably haven't followed Indian Cricket pre-2014?

 

[Jack7]

Well that's like saying Dale Steyn never knew what to bowl since he struggled at the death?

Probably haven't followed Indian Cricket pre-2014?

You seem upset? "Shame as one of the most talented players in the history of the game apart from that part."

Where did I say he didn't know how to bat? I called him one of the most talented players in the history of the game apart from his ability to judge when to accelerate. I seem to have hit a nerve with you India fans. Learn to read and comprehend before replying.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

Where did I say he didn't know how to bat?

I didn't say that you said it.

Dhoni knew to pace his innings better than anyone else and he did know when to accelerate for the most part of his career. Things you say do more justice to Dhoni post 2014. Before that it's just sheer injustice.

 

[Jack7]

I didn't say that you said it.

Dhoni knew to pace his innings better than anyone else and he did know when to accelerate for the most part of his career. Things you say do more justice to Dhoni post 2014. Before that it's just sheer injustice.

That seemed to be the implication. I don't agree. Dhoni was a great all round batsman. His weakness was not knowing how good he was. He underestimated his own ability (he often underestimated his team mates too) and took forever to accelerate in run chases as a result, he paced his innings poorly. The fact he was so good and therefore difficult to get out especially in ODIs is another matter. His S/R (or lack of) says a lot. I'm speaking about him in past tense, but that's because his India days are done. The older he got the less explosive he became, doesn't change anything I said for his entire career though.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

That seemed to be the implication. I don't agree. Dhoni was a great all round batsman. His weakness was not knowing how good he was. He underestimated his own ability (he often underestimated his team mates too) and took forever to accelerate in run chases as a result, he paced his innings poorly. The fact he was so good and therefore difficult to get out especially in ODIs is another matter. His S/R (or lack of) says a lot. I'm speaking about him in past tense, but that's because his India days are done. The older he got the less explosive he became, doesn't change anything I said for his entire career though.

Well if we talk about the lower order of India and the situations they faced at times, he probably didn't have an option but to stay on the crease a long as possible. In his peak days if a team needed around 15 runs an over, 8 out of 10 times Dhoni would've won the game. There are more than a couple of instances when even bowlers like Malinga faced it difficult to cut down the damage in IPL alone. His numbers probably don't give an overview of the team's situation.

 

[Jack7]

Well if we talk about the lower order of India and the situations they faced at times, he probably didn't have an option but to stay on the crease a long as possible. In his peak days if a team needed around 15 runs an over, 8 out of 10 times Dhoni would've won the game. There are more than a couple of instances when even bowlers like Malinga faced it difficult to cut down the damage in IPL alone. His numbers probably don't give an overview of the team's situation.

Yes Dhoni was a decent player for India, but you are overreaching to try to make a point. Stuff like saying 8 out of 10 times Dhoni would've won the game needing 15 an over is silly talk.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

Yes Dhoni was a decent player for India, but you are overreaching to try to make a point. Stuff like saying 8 out of 10 times Dhoni would've won the game needing 15 an over is silly talk.

Ok fine but then who do you bank on in pressure situations more than anyone else if not him? He faced kind of pressure situations more often than anyone's ever been and yet he is around 80% of times won those matches for his team.

 

[Jack7]

Ok fine but then who do you bank on in pressure situations more than anyone else if not him? He faced kind of pressure situations more often than anyone's ever been and yet he is around 80% of times won those matches for his team.

Difficult to compare different teams and roles of players. Dhoni clearly has had license to bat earth core deep more than any player in limited overs history, so it's difficult to make comparisons. Obviously a good player though I made that pretty clear.

 

[Ashutosh.]

A Captain like Eoin Morgan never really got challenged much. He is probably England's best white ball Captain but even he commits some blunders in moments when it mattered at times which was not the case with Dhoni.

ICC WT20 2016 SF last over

Ok fine but then who do you bank on in pressure situations more than anyone else if not him? He faced kind of pressure situations more often than anyone's ever been and yet he is around 80% of times won those matches for his team.

He dragged easy chases to the last over and made pressure situations many times. Those matches should have won before the last over. His strike rate was always a problem in T20I. He batted in death overs still had strike rate of only 120 until 2016.

One example is Ind vs NZ in 2012, where India needed 48 runs n the last 40 balls but India lost by 1 run.






Who can forget Ind vs Zim 1st T20 2016?

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

ICC WT20 2016 SF last over


He dragged easy chases to the last over and made pressure situations many times. Those matches should have won before the last over. His strike rate was always a problem in T20I. He batted in death overs still had strike rate of only 120 until 2016.

One example is Ind vs NZ in 2012, where India needed 48 runs n the last 40 balls but India lost by 1 run.

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Who can forget Ind vs Zim 1st T20 2016?

I don't disagree to his criticism about T20Is and neither I question the criticism he receives for his failures post 2014. He probably was so successful in what he did for about 8 years of his career he continued to trust his own methods even when he did not have enough capacity to do it. Probably very much like Sachin post 2011 WC.