The IPL is a rich league, but that it was THIS rich blew me away

[PokerAce]

And I compared the IPL to other sports league, who recognises the IPL beyond Indians or sports fans? Whereas the EPL is an international icon and The Supoerbowl is one of the biggest annual sporting events on the planet. Get over it.

Haha you lash at IPL for being confined to one country and then say the Superbowl, a sport confined to one nations, is the greatest annual event on the planet. A sport confined to one nation, with 5 secs of action and then 5 mins of watching replays, and coaches on the sidelines jumping up and down, and refs, while taking into the headset, making hand gestures like they were trying to get a fking plane to land on the field or something maybe big in the US but don't kid yourself about it being the biggest sporting event in the world. Who gives a damn outside the US and to some extent Canada.

To further understand how much Super-bowl's global appeal is over-rated, how desperately it is a sport confined to one country -

a global scale when you consider that an estimated 98% of those viewers are from North America, with about 97% of that amount coming from the United States. Meaning, it would seem, at least as far as ratings are concerned, the networks are wasting their time broadcasting the game to the other 224+ countries, considering only a couple million people outside of North America watch the game every year.

The Super Bowl is Not Watched By Anywhere Near a "Billion People" Every Year

Haha only a 3% of the viewership comes from beyond US !! Thats cute. The "biggest annual global sporting event on the planet" - not based on that stat.

Even ignoring how desperately over-rated the global appeal of NFL and Super Bowl is, the fact still is that as per the salary stat, the average annual salary of NFL is $2.0 million, while that of IPL is more than twice of the NFL $4.2 million.

So here is the thing, IPL which according to you nothing special, still pays its players on an average more then double of the NFL, which according to you is the biggest annual something something something of the world. Very Impressive of IPL, I say.

So not only is the global appeal of the NFL and Super-bowl, vastly over-rated, it still pays less to it players, than the IPL. In fact NFL pays half of what the IPL pays to its players !! Now you need to get over it.

 

[cricket_icon]

Haha you lash at IPL for being confined to one country and then say the Superbowl, a sport confined to one nations, is the greatest annual event on the planet. A sport confined to one nation, with 5 secs of action and then 5 mins of watching replays, and coaches on the sidelines jumping up and down, and refs, while taking into the headset, making hand gestures like they were trying to get a fking plane to land on the field or something maybe big in the US but don't kid yourself about it being the biggest sporting event in the world. Who gives a damn outside the US and to some extent Canada.

I never said the superbowl was the "greatest" annual sports event, I said it was the "biggest". Or one of the biggest, which it is, until recent years, it was more watched than the champions league final. These are facts

 

[IceAgeComing]

The biggest sporting event is the Indianapolis 500, for it has the largest attendance - somewhere between 300,000 and 400,000.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

I am. The pitches in the subcontinent tend to not bounce very much or show many signs of movement. That is the definition of lifeless in cricket.

I think the pitches in the IPL which practically give no assistance to anyone bar batsman show this even better. Admittedly that is becoming a trend in limited overs cricket nowadays anyway.

This post, in my opinion is the biggest example of the kind of hatred that people outside the sub continent have garnered for Asia and it's rise in stature as the cricketing power.

Firstly, the pitches in India are far from lifeless. If you've watched cricket in places like Mohali, Mumbai or Bangalore then you wouldn't be saying such things. The three pitches I mentioned, are renowned for having true bounce and Mohali has grass to go with it. It's not exactly a batters paradise. However, if you're going to have a T20 where people come to watch with families, you don't want people getting bundled out for 100. It's just basic common sense.

To respond to you on your comments about pitches in India, that's the nature of our pitches here. It's the very soil here that is used that makes sure that you don't get bounce or zip like Perth. It doesn't make the pitch 'lifeless.' Some of the finest test matches, series, one sayers etc. etc. have happened in the sub continent, not to mention the closest WC final contested was in India.

I don't understand this 'logic' of us Indians having to change the way we make our pitches. Sure, we struggle in tests abroad but neither Australia nor England have exactly set the world alight with their performances in the sub continent in tests against spin. It's pretty simple for me- If you want to learn how to play fast bowling, you go to Aus, Eng, SA. If you want to learn how to play spin, come to Ind, Pak, SL. It's the challenge of adapting that separates great cricketers from the good and I see no reason for any of the countries to change.

Every once in a while, a great team like the WI of the 70's and 80', the Aussies of 90's and 00's will come along. For the moment, SA are head and shoulders above everyone else as a test nation and as a complete side and most of their stars have pretty lucrative IPL contracts, not because they can just handle the zip and bounce but also because as you say, they can play 'lifeless spin' pretty well.

 

[_Sam_]

This post, in my opinion is the biggest example of the kind of hatred that people outside the sub continent have garnered for Asia and it's rise in stature as the cricketing power.

Firstly, the pitches in India are far from lifeless. If you've watched cricket in places like Mohali, Mumbai or Bangalore then you wouldn't be saying such things. The three pitches I mentioned, are renowned for having true bounce and Mohali has grass to go with it. It's not exactly a batters paradise. However, if you're going to have a T20 where people come to watch with families, you don't want people getting bundled out for 100. It's just basic common sense.

To respond to you on your comments about pitches in India, that's the nature of our pitches here. It's the very soil here that is used that makes sure that you don't get bounce or zip like Perth. It doesn't make the pitch 'lifeless.' Some of the finest test matches, series, one sayers etc. etc. have happened in the sub continent, not to mention the closest WC final contested was in India.

I don't understand this 'logic' of us Indians having to change the way we make our pitches. Sure, we struggle in tests abroad but neither Australia nor England have exactly set the world alight with their performances in the sub continent in tests against spin. It's pretty simple for me- If you want to learn how to play fast bowling, you go to Aus, Eng, SA. If you want to learn how to play spin, come to Ind, Pak, SL. It's the challenge of adapting that separates great cricketers from the good and I see no reason for any of the countries to change.

Every once in a while, a great team like the WI of the 70's and 80', the Aussies of 90's and 00's will come along. For the moment, SA are head and shoulders above everyone else as a test nation and as a complete side and most of their stars have pretty lucrative IPL contracts, not because they can just handle the zip and bounce but also because as you say, they can play 'lifeless spin' pretty well.

I'm not saying the pitches don't make good test matches. Just they are in cricket definitions 'lifeless'. I have no hatred against Asia, and infact avidly watch as many IPL matches as possible. It's just you can't change facts.

Like I said above, batting friendly pitches in limited overs matches are becoming more common worldwide nowadays.

 

[abhi_jacko]

Where did you get this fact and these "cricket definitions" from

If the pitches make good test matches, how are they lifeless ? And if lifeless wickets make good test matches, then we definitely need more lifeless wickets

 

[grkrama]

A Pitch is called lifeless if it has nothing in it for anytype of bowler as well as batsman, like that first test pitch that was offered to india in eng tour. Now that is a lifeless pitch.


any pitch that can provide help to bowlers and produce results is not lifeless doesnt mater what type of bowler.[HASHTAG]#ByCricket[/HASHTAG]Defnition

 

[_Sam_]

A Pitch is called lifeless if it has nothing in it for anytype of bowler as well as batsman, like that first test pitch that was offered to india in eng tour. Now that is a lifeless pitch.


any pitch that can provide help to bowlers and produce results is not lifeless doesnt mater what type of bowler.[HASHTAG]#ByCricket[/HASHTAG]Defnition

Every person I've heard call a pitch lifeless has used it in the context of it having no help in for pace bowlers or being a relatively slow pitch. Doesn't mean it's a dreadful pitch, just shows little sign of life in terms of its 'zip' therefore assist the batsman.

An extreme example would be the one at Trent Bridge as you said, were somehow in your own words had 'nothing it it for batsmen' yet we had scores of 457, 496 and 391/9.

All types of wickets can make a good test match if suitable.

 

[grkrama]

lol samp, no they call a pitch lifeless when it has no help for bowlers, a lot of slow pitches can be minefield turners spitting venom, but a lifeless pitch will have nothing in it for anyone like that nottingham pitch.

 

[PokerAce]

Its interesting how a simple post on the fact that IPL is the second highest paying league in the world has turned into what would constitute a lifeless wicket for Tests.

The jump in this discussion from a T20 domestic league wages being high to test match pitches is rather a huge one. However since we are now discussing what would be a lifeless pitch let me throw in me two bits.

A lifeless pitch is one that totally removes the possibility of a result. When no side can take 20 wickets on a pitch. As long as a pitch presents a reasonable opportunity for 20 wickets to fall (over two innings), regardless of whether its an opportunity for the seamers or spinners, its not a lifeless wicket.

The thing with foreign sides and their fans is they still think its injustice if their sides turn up in the sub-continent and get spinning tracks. The sub-continent sides and fans have come to expect different pitches from what they are used, and do not moan about seaming tracks when they face them. Like in the 4th test vs Eng, the pitch was green as they come, but we moaned about the performance, not the pitch.

If a foreign side is presented with a spin friendly wicket in India, you will never hear the end of how the pitch was a 'dust bowl'. Its somehow okay to knockover sub-continent sides on garden pitches, but not okay for sub-continent sides to use dust-bowls. This hypocrisy needs to go.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

Its interesting how a simple post on the fact that IPL is the second highest paying league in the world has turned into what would constitute a lifeless wicket for Tests.

The jump in this discussion from a T20 domestic league wages being high to test match pitches is rather a huge one. However since we are now discussing what would be a lifeless pitch let me throw in me two bits.

A lifeless pitch is one that totally removes the possibility of a result. When no side can take 20 wickets on a pitch. As long as a pitch presents a reasonable opportunity for 20 wickets to fall (over two innings), regardless of whether its an opportunity for the seamers or spinners, its not a lifeless wicket.

The thing with foreign sides and their fans is they still think its injustice if their sides turn up in the sub-continent and get spinning tracks. The sub-continent sides and fans have come to expect different pitches from what they are used, and do not moan about seaming tracks when they face them. Like in the 4th test vs Eng, the pitch was green as they come, but we moaned about the performance, not the pitch.

If a foreign side is presented with a spin friendly wicket in India, you will never hear the end of how the pitch was a 'dust bowl'. Its somehow okay to knockover sub-continent sides on garden pitches, but not okay for sub-continent sides to use dust-bowls. This hypocrisy needs to go.

That's precisely my point. The post in question by samP, acknowledges that T20 and ODI's in general need a good batting wicket. It's the money spinners of cricket. It's the same everywhere around the world. It's just that the sub-continent gets crucified for it. I took offence to the 'lifeless' comment because it's untrue. The only thing India could change about it's cricket is to keep standard boundaries in limited overs. I've seen a TEST, an ODI and an IPL final at the Eden Gardens and the boundaries are a good 8-10 metres smaller in limited overs.

 

[Satan666]

Six IPL teams in sports' top-50 highest payers list - Cricbuzz

 

[themusketeer]

Different types of pitches in different countries.

And Spin friendly pitches is one of the types of Cricket pitches.

Note : Spin friendly pitch is not equal to DEAD PITCH.

Pitches in India
Pitches in India have historically supported spin bowling rather than seam or swing. A ball bowled at Pace may carry to the Keeper on two bounces taking the Slip catching out of the equation. Such pitches had virtually no grass, afforded little assistance for pace, bounce, or lateral air movement, but created good turn. In decades past, legendary spin bowlers—most notably the Indian spin quartet of the 1960s and 1970s, consisting of left-armer Bedi, offspinners Prasanna andVenkataraghavan, and legspinnerChandrasekhar—routinely toyed with visiting teams to plot dramatic victories for India in home test matches, particularly on turning pitches in hot, humid conditions at Eden Gardens in Kolkata (then known as Calcutta) andChepauk in Chennai (then known as Madras). Sometimes 2.5 inches of turn favours the batsmen and spinner reckons not to spin the ball. They outwitted opposing batsmen not only through line, length, and trajectory variations but also by physically and psychologically exploiting rough spots resulting from wear and tear on the playing top and cracks from increasing surface dryness as a game progressed. The Indian batsmen being superb players of spin bowling have generally relished home conditions. Also few opposition teams have fielded quality spinners with Australia having Shane Warne in the team an obvious exception. However, when England toured India in 2012, having lost the first test they played a second spinner, Monty Panesaar, to accompany Graeme Swann in the remaining three tests, of which England won the second and third, drawing the fourth. Unusually, both English spinners took more wickets more cheaply than their Indian counterparts.[7] Some pitches do favour swing and seam such as Bangalore. While the Brabourne and Wankhedestadiums in Mumbai and Ferozshah Kotla in Delhi never offered nearly as much turn to spinners, winning a series in India was nevertheless quite difficult, and considered an ultimate challenge for visiting teams, as it is to this day.

Indian pitches and attitudes have changed considerably in the past few years though .

Source : Wikipedia

 

[Markkkkk]

'Typical IPL hater post' - Most common used argument in this thread.

The pitches in India for the IPL are lifeless. The pitches in ANY FRICKEN T20 COMPETITION is lifeless. Thats why people score at 8 runs an over without a problem. Its a fricken disease thats spreading that all pitches for limited overs and T20 games must have lifeless pitches. And everyone talking about great the IPL is its because of... The BCCI. Indian cricket has all the money and all the fans. If South Africa had the same amount of money as the BCCI they could make a league just as 'competitive' and 'great' as the IPL. The Aussies already did it with the money from the Big 3 (Thanks BCCI!) and if England werent busy riding the corruption train they would have it aswell. India has 1.2 billion people and nearly everyone only knows about cricket so thats why its so great because there isnt anything else to do. If Indians were raised with football, then you can garuntee the soccer matches would have huge crowds. As far as I know, nobody gives a crap about the IPL outside of India, the only thing my friends care about is that Chennai loose cause of Dhoni and I want Rahul and Quinton to score runs cause I said they would be two of the top batsmen in the world. For all India has done from cutting tours short cause of 'Haroon Lorgat' and sucking all the money out of cricket and giving the Associates 0 chance of competing against test teams the very least they owe us is a big wage for our cricketers, but they infected their own competiiton with flipping CEAT Tyres DLF Pepsi Coke Mcdonalds *advertise here* Timeouts which are just adbreaks for some more money and have put in 10+ bowlers who just jog up and bowl so slow any former Test player would laugh. Dont forget the speed gun is broken, Rajit Bhatia bowling 135? Forget it. Yadav quicker then Johnson? Cringeworthy and dont forget the lifeless pitches taylor made for Gayleforce(Overated gymnist) and McCullum to score tons of runs. I havent seen a 'bowling wicket' in the IPL since it was made.

 

[grkrama]

LOL


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