Where does it come from?

[manee]

In my little flurry of creating new threads which have partially reinvigorated the Cricket Chat forum, I have another idea.

Where does it come from?

It is quite simple, somebody posts a question about an ability of a player or several players and somebody else posts an answer to it.

Examples would be:

The strength in Sachin Tendulkar's shots
In drift for leg spinners
And so on...

I'll start it off, where does Shaun Tait's pace come from?

Anyone can ask questions and you don't have to answer one to ask one. Just ask when you are curious.

Question Index:

Where does Shaun Tait's pace come from?
How does Muralitharan spin it so much?
How does Sidebottom swing it so much?
What causes the timing of swing to the ball?
What causes drift for spinners?

 

[evertonfan]

The immense amount of strain he puts his body through at the point of release which will inevitably lead to chronic back problems in later life.

 

[manee]

The immense amount of strain he puts his body through at the point of release which will inevitably lead to chronic back problems in later life.

How do you think he puts this strain on his body, I have seen many charge in off dozens of steps and put their back right into the action only for 65mph to pop on the speed gun.

Disclaimer: This may or may not be referring to me

 

[evertonfan]

Because bowling is not a natural action. However, Shaun Tait's action laughs in the face of naturality, rips it's head off, has a dump down it's neck and dances on it's grave. I can't really explain it any better than that sorry.

 

[Highlander999]

Who spins the ball the most at the moment

NOTE Not the best spinner but the one who turns it the most

 

[manee]

Because bowling is not a natural action. However, Shaun Tait's action laughs in the face of naturality, rips it's head off, has a dump down it's neck and dances on it's grave. I can't really explain it any better than that sorry.

Don't be sorry, I have my point of view, just wanted to hear those of others.

I believe it comes from his awesome weight transfer from backfoot to front foot. Firstly, he piles all his weight + some that he gained from the run up on his backfoot and transfers that effectively to the front foot with a massive impact. His body coordination at time of impact to put the head, neck and back into it also play a part too.

Who spins the ball the most at the moment

NOTE Not the best spinner but the one who turns it the most

I think you have misunderstood the thread, an example of a question would be, How does Muralitharan spin it so much?

 

[Highlander999]

Oh right sorry

 

[legspinner@fred]

How does Muralitharan spin it so much?

Well we all know the answer there.





The immaculate action he puts on the ball makes the ball turn square..there you go, immaculate.

 

[Dalek]

When bowling spin, turning your wrist and making it spin in the 'air' makes the ball turn in varius directions, e.g when i bowl leg spin i turn my wrist so the ball turns to the left as i bowl leg spin this is leg break. Murali turns his wrist so much to make his action imaculate batsman hate facing him.



My question, how does sidebottom swing the ball so much? not a real hard one i could answer it its just got to let others answer.

 

[Sureshot]

Several years in County Cricket learning his game, he also has an action which suits swing bowling, as opposed to a Harmison/Flintoff action, knows where to hold the ball too.

 

[Dalek]

Took the words out of my mouth Sureshot . If you ever watch the ball holdment is from the outswinger to the inswinger, true indication.

This is one that just bugs me but its not realy the aim of this thread but;;

Why does Tendulkar still use pads with the like hole through conecter on this pads, usualy its velcro straps. You could only answer this if you like know him lol any who fire me

 

[Simbazz]

Sidebottom has an action which i'd say causes the ball to swing more than that of Hoggards, as Hoggard is more at pace, and tries to also bounce the ball as much as he can, wereas Sidebottom puts the ball somewhere where he can get a wicket WITH swing. Its interesting indeed.

 

[sohum]

Why does Tendulkar still use pads with the like hole through conecter on this pads, usualy its velcro straps. You could only answer this if you like know him lol any who fire me

Maybe for old time's sake? I noticed the commentators bringing it up during the England test series. Maybe he buys his kits from a particular guy in Mumbai and they just happen to only manufacture the old-school style.

 

[angryangy]

A lot of people say Tait's action is prone to injury, particularly in the back, but I'm not so sure. Some have pointed out that Thomson had a lot of injury problems, but none were due to his action - Lillee was the one with stress fractures. Thomson's shoulder injury came from fielding. Similarly with Tait; Lee, Watson and Johnson are the ones who had stress fractures, with their relatively uncriticised bowling actions.

Of Tait's notable injuries, the shoulder was said at the time to not be the result of his action and cartilage tearing like that is more likely to be caused by trauma, such as falling on the arm in the field. The elbow, I can't say either way, except that he had scar tissue removed, which sounds like it was a bit of a tennis elbow thing, which is caused by over use of the elbow and upper arm. I can't tell you if his action causes extra use of his elbow (there is probably extra stress from simply bowling fast), but I can tell you he can't avoid using his elbows to play cricket (if you are, send pix).

To create big pace you need to be able to accelerate your arm to an appropriate speed. Think of how a car speeds up; even really fast cars take time to get to top speed. The more time you spend accelerating, the more speed you have. Tait's action allows him to swing his bowling arm through a substantially long arc and he shapes to get maximum torsion from his torso, that is, he twists with the powerful core muscles in his belly and back and his arm, being on that square angle to those muscles, moves quicker as a result. See Bruce Lee's one inch punch for an example of just a subtle blast of core strength.

That long stride is crucial as his arm 'loads the catapult' when his back leg comes down, then unleashes on the crease, which is at least 1.5 metres in front of where that back foot comes down. It all results in him being able to transfer a lot of energy onto the ball.

 

[Dalek]

Maybe for old time's sake? I noticed the commentators bringing it up during the England test series. Maybe he buys his kits from a particular guy in Mumbai and they just happen to only manufacture the old-school style.

I used to always wonder why?, and they it was brought it up India's Victory game in the test's i think, Bumble commentating with nothing better to do than talk about Tendulkars pads haha