World Twenty20 XI

Nah. All-rounder tends to imply that they bowl equally aswell as they bat, something with Kallis simply doesn't do; especially considering he focuses less on his bowling nowadays. He only averages 8 overs an innings this year, he has been pretty effective in those overs he's bowled but thats not the point. Flintoff is a bowler capable of bowling a side out, and a top side at that, and then also playing a massive knock that can take the other team out of the game. Kallis just cannot replicate that all-round performance. You'd never see Jaques Kallis taking the bowling attack to Australias top batsmen and coming out on top, Flintoff has the ability to win games with bat and ball. He's a much better all-rounder.

Injuries have been a problem in recent times for Fred, but apparently the latest operation has removed a piece of bone that was sticking into the muscles in his ankle, which could have been the cause of pain; so I'm hopeful that he'll be able to remain fairly fit for the next few years. Kallis may be the better batsman, but he just doesn't have the bowling prowess of Flintoff, and I don't think that Kallis could single handedly win South Africa a game, they rely far more on his batting than his bowling.
 
True, I never watch Kallis and think "****, here comes the wickets"
 
how come rp singh aint getting any love

for gods sake he averages 14.69

overall 8 1 1* - 0 13 4/13 14.69 0 1 0

7 matches againt aus, pak , nz and eng


btw my world 20/20


1. Ghambhir/hayden
2. Gayle
3. Yuvraj
4. Dhoni
5. Pieterson
6. Afridi
7. Misbah
8. harbhajan/pathan/hopes
9. Umar gul
10. RP singh
11. Lee
 
Flintoff is(well, was, I don't back his batting capability any more.) a bowling all-rounder these days. Kallis is a batting all-rounder. Compare them if you like, but really it depends what you want. I think as far as Genuine all-rounders go, you have to go with Oram who seems to do both at a pretty good standard.
 
1. hershel gibbs great opner can hit big sixes
2. Chris Gayle another great opner another batsmen who can hit sixes
3. Rickey Ponting great batsmen who can get runs quick
4. Misbah UL Haq a batsmen who can play under pressure any time any where any ground just a problem whebn ever he gets out he gets out in funny way.
5. Yuvrag Singh automatic six hitter
6. Mahendra Singh Dhoni (WK) great wk batsmen
7. Andrew Symonds a excellent allrounder
8. Shahid Afridi Another boom boom all rounder a boundary hitting machine
9. Brett Lee Wonderful bowler who can hit hard aswell
10. Daniel Vettori a great spinner who can bat a bit
11. Umar Gul one of the best 20 20 bowler yeh its true its damn true
12. Harbhajan Singh 12 man free bhagi and pani wala lol
 
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Nah. All-rounder tends to imply that they bowl equally aswell as they bat, something with Kallis simply doesn't do; especially considering he focuses less on his bowling nowadays. He only averages 8 overs an innings this year, he has been pretty effective in those overs he's bowled but thats not the point. Flintoff is a bowler capable of bowling a side out, and a top side at that, and then also playing a massive knock that can take the other team out of the game. Kallis just cannot replicate that all-round performance. You'd never see Jaques Kallis taking the bowling attack to Australias top batsmen and coming out on top, Flintoff has the ability to win games with bat and ball. He's a much better all-rounder.

Injuries have been a problem in recent times for Fred, but apparently the latest operation has removed a piece of bone that was sticking into the muscles in his ankle, which could have been the cause of pain; so I'm hopeful that he'll be able to remain fairly fit for the next few years. Kallis may be the better batsman, but he just doesn't have the bowling prowess of Flintoff, and I don't think that Kallis could single handedly win South Africa a game, they rely far more on his batting than his bowling.


i doubt that Flintoff has the ability to win games with the bat anymore. The last good series he had was the 05 ashes thats 3 years that he hasn't done much, i admit it was mostly because he missed allot of time with injuries but he hasn't done anything in a while.
Thats why i have a problem with him being included in most peoples Test XI.
Same thing in a sort of sense can be said about Shoaib than, if he was fit than he would be the most destructive bowler but he is not and thats why people aren't selecting him.
In my opinion on any day Kallis would win his team more games than Flintoff, he is a much better batsman in both forms of the game. Kallis has a better bowling average in Tests and as he showed against Bangladesh when his team is struggling and when given enough overs he can get wickets. Yea it was against Bangladesh but they still count.
 
Matthew Hayden
Brendon McCullum
Ricky Ponting
Andrew Symonds
Yuvraj Singh
Misbah-ul-Haq
Shahid Afridi
Daniel Vettori
Chaminda Vaas
Nathan Bracken
Umar Gul

Shaun Pollock and Shane Bond would have made this if I had picked it four months earlier.

KP desperately unlucky and could possibly slot in ahead of Ponting or Misbah - but you can't rely on Symonds as a fifth bowler so I had to whack an all-rounder in at seven (Pollock would have been ahead of Afridi) to at least give some more options.
 
Matthew Hayden
To deny him this spot is simply to deny the obvious facts. His consistency in Twenty20 (when he isn't 'rested') is immense and is rarely found short on shots. In fact these days it seems he has made an extra couple up. Making a clean start is crucial in limited overs and this is the player who delivers clean starts with the most punch.
Chris Gayle
Gayle's whirlwind century at the World Championship says all that really needs to be said. There are plenty of hard hitting openers, but this guy is an enigma. As South Africa saw not long ago, there are few batsman you want injured more, but even fewer where an injury still isn't enough to feel safe. Gayle also bowls a cunning off break that tells of a player who is much more than brawn.
Kevin Pietersen
KP might have his rough parts and sometimes a really stupid looking head, but he is pretty much a genius. I can't say I've seen anyone else reverse sweep for six and the only other instance that I've heard of is Andy Flower. He has all the shots and all the magic.
Andrew Symonds
A menace still finding space to grow in stature, it can seem at times that 'Roy' is simply unstoppable. He takes his chances, but he never looks back. Possibly the best limited overs player on batting alone, it's easy to forget he is a slow bowler and an important fieldsman.
Yuvraj Singh
He may be a limited-overs specialist, but he specialises well. His six-hitting was crucial to India's tournament victory and without him firing they do not look the same.
Misbah-Ul-Haq
Set Pakistani hearts racing when in South Africa where even in the absence of Inzi and Yousuf, they found their team still had a heart. Pakistan's top order often gave way and when it did hold together it could be brutally sluggish. Nevertheless, Misbah-Ul-Haq turned out to be Pakistan's Michael Hussey, a seasoned domestic player with robust technique, a shot for every occasion and an almost adamantine temper, coming in late and rescuing the team.
MS Dhoni
An Indian hero in the making, although his once carefree batting does now seem to be weighed down with the importance of his station. He takes it upon himself to stabilise India when he bats, but the lusty blows are still there. With the gloves on, he's just as accountable and considering his victories, seems like a young captain worthy of any praise.
Shahid Afridi
Not quite the juggernaut he once promised and Twenty20 does seem to extinguish whatever vestige of consistency his batting has, but nevertheless it is a game where a fast 20 might be all you need. In Twenty20, Shahid Afridi is more a bowler than a batsman and his varied bowling is certainly a key to the way Pakistan play. Whatever he's doing, he is one the fans pay to see.
Danny Vettori
Vettori seems to stick it up the naysayers by proving that spin bowling is a powerful art even in a game where the ball is never old. The NZ captain is a frustrating left arm spin bowler and also a rather frustrating lower order batsman. He might rely more on containment than sheer penetration, but his overs break many a game.
Umar Gul
Another player so vital to Pakistan's South African campaign because they relied so strongly on working with low totals. A gifted youngster in his own right, Umar Gul supplied Pakistan's pace attack with what would pass for seniority if we didn't know better.
Shaun Tait
The wild card entry that makes my lineup worth wasting time on. Although he has yet only played one T20I and is currently regarded as away from cricket indefinitely, he is so undeniably ready-built for Twenty20 that I have to have him on the list. On his feet and firing he is faster than any of his peers and a triumphant World Cup campaign suggested he was not only good enough to make the grade, but looking to be an important cog in Australia's next era. Alas what started as a simple elbow arthroscope in July 07 lead to a calamitously overgrown recovery period and left him lacking in fitness for all but a short period in December, where he seemed as if he was quite close to his best. His debut T20I had New Zealand rattled in a heartbeat.

12th man: Lasith Malinga
Ok, so if you didn't buy that rant about Tait, then here is a second option. By far the most impressing feature of Malinga in T20 is his ability to bowl the yorker. Repeatedly. It doesn't matter how good the pitch is, that is always a powerful asset. We've also seen Malinga tear the odd game to pieces, so let's not suggest he's a one trick pony. He really is a fine bowler.

Designated Substitute: Michael Clarke
If you're picking a sub out of the entire world, it's probably coming down to either Clarke or de Villiers. Many of us have long written off Clarkey's prowess as a power hitter, but his use of the umbrella field against India's number 11 at the MCG warrants a special mention alone. It's a hint of wit that belies what is more often imagined of cricketers.
 
Flintoff is(well, was, I don't back his batting capability any more.) a bowling all-rounder these days. Kallis is a batting all-rounder. Compare them if you like, but really it depends what you want. I think as far as Genuine all-rounders go, you have to go with Oram who seems to do both at a pretty good standard.

Well depends on the format as well. For test matches, I'd go with Kallis, although even then I would pick him purely based on his batting. However Flintoff would get into my side as a proper allrounder, and in ODIs atleast, I truly believe he is easily the best and most important player. Andrew Symonds and Jacob Oram come close but I think Freddie is better.
 
Matthew Hayden
To deny him this spot is simply to deny the obvious facts. His consistency in Twenty20 (when he isn't 'rested') is immense and is rarely found short on shots. In fact these days it seems he has made an extra couple up. Making a clean start is crucial in limited overs and this is the player who delivers clean starts with the most punch.
Chris Gayle
Gayle's whirlwind century at the World Championship says all that really needs to be said. There are plenty of hard hitting openers, but this guy is an enigma. As South Africa saw not long ago, there are few batsman you want injured more, but even fewer where an injury still isn't enough to feel safe. Gayle also bowls a cunning off break that tells of a player who is much more than brawn.
Kevin Pietersen
KP might have his rough parts and sometimes a really stupid looking head, but he is pretty much a genius. I can't say I've seen anyone else reverse sweep for six and the only other instance that I've heard of is Andy Flower. He has all the shots and all the magic.
Andrew Symonds
A menace still finding space to grow in stature, it can seem at times that 'Roy' is simply unstoppable. He takes his chances, but he never looks back. Possibly the best limited overs player on batting alone, it's easy to forget he is a slow bowler and an important fieldsman.
Yuvraj Singh
He may be a limited-overs specialist, but he specialises well. His six-hitting was crucial to India's tournament victory and without him firing they do not look the same.
Misbah-Ul-Haq
Set Pakistani hearts racing when in South Africa where even in the absence of Inzi and Yousuf, they found their team still had a heart. Pakistan's top order often gave way and when it did hold together it could be brutally sluggish. Nevertheless, Misbah-Ul-Haq turned out to be Pakistan's Michael Hussey, a seasoned domestic player with robust technique, a shot for every occasion and an almost adamantine temper, coming in late and rescuing the team.
MS Dhoni
An Indian hero in the making, although his once carefree batting does now seem to be weighed down with the importance of his station. He takes it upon himself to stabilise India when he bats, but the lusty blows are still there. With the gloves on, he's just as accountable and considering his victories, seems like a young captain worthy of any praise.
Shahid Afridi
Not quite the juggernaut he once promised and Twenty20 does seem to extinguish whatever vestige of consistency his batting has, but nevertheless it is a game where a fast 20 might be all you need. In Twenty20, Shahid Afridi is more a bowler than a batsman and his varied bowling is certainly a key to the way Pakistan play. Whatever he's doing, he is one the fans pay to see.
Danny Vettori
Vettori seems to stick it up the naysayers by proving that spin bowling is a powerful art even in a game where the ball is never old. The NZ captain is a frustrating left arm spin bowler and also a rather frustrating lower order batsman. He might rely more on containment than sheer penetration, but his overs break many a game.
Umar Gul
Another player so vital to Pakistan's South African campaign because they relied so strongly on working with low totals. A gifted youngster in his own right, Umar Gul supplied Pakistan's pace attack with what would pass for seniority if we didn't know better.
Shaun Tait
The wild card entry that makes my lineup worth wasting time on. Although he has yet only played one T20I and is currently regarded as away from cricket indefinitely, he is so undeniably ready-built for Twenty20 that I have to have him on the list. On his feet and firing he is faster than any of his peers and a triumphant World Cup campaign suggested he was not only good enough to make the grade, but looking to be an important cog in Australia's next era. Alas what started as a simple elbow arthroscope in July 07 lead to a calamitously overgrown recovery period and left him lacking in fitness for all but a short period in December, where he seemed as if he was quite close to his best. His debut T20I had New Zealand rattled in a heartbeat.

12th man: Lasith Malinga
Ok, so if you didn't buy that rant about Tait, then here is a second option. By far the most impressing feature of Malinga in T20 is his ability to bowl the yorker. Repeatedly. It doesn't matter how good the pitch is, that is always a powerful asset. We've also seen Malinga tear the odd game to pieces, so let's not suggest he's a one trick pony. He really is a fine bowler.

Designated Substitute: Michael Clarke
If you're picking a sub out of the entire world, it's probably coming down to either Clarke or de Villiers. Many of us have long written off Clarkey's prowess as a power hitter, but his use of the umbrella field against India's number 11 at the MCG warrants a special mention alone. It's a hint of wit that belies what is more often imagined of cricketers.
Great post! :clap
 
Well depends on the format as well. For test matches, I'd go with Kallis, although even then I would pick him purely based on his batting. However Flintoff would get into my side as a proper allrounder, and in ODIs atleast, I truly believe he is easily the best and most important player. Andrew Symonds and Jacob Oram come close but I think Freddie is better.

What's the talk about tests and ODI's in the twenty/20 thread for?

I think you're a bit over-rating on Freddie's ability with the bat myself, but hey, that's your opinion. I just with my dream side could face yours. ;)
 
1. M Hayden
2. G Gambhir
3. P Collingwood
4. Yuvraj Singh
5. J Oram
6. M S Dhoni
7. M ul Haq
8. U Gul
9. B Lee
10. A Morkel
11. H Singh
 
1. M Hayden
2. G Gambhir
3. P Collingwood
4. Yuvraj Singh
5. J Oram
6. M S Dhoni
7. M ul Haq
8. U Gul
9. B Lee
10. A Morkel
11. H Singh


nice team icy, good from 1-11. Collingwood maybe not in 20-20 but he can bowl too which is a plus.
 

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