Air Terror Bid Foiled in England

[Kev]

I wouldn't say that any terrorist attack has been carried out by the government. I'm just referring people to the article as it may interest them. It doesn't mean I agree with everything in it! Although the fact that some of the alleged terrorists would not even have been able to get on a trans-atlantic plane is a little suspicous is it not?

Not really. I believe they planned to blow up 10 planes so only 10 of them would need passports.

 

[embi]

Not really. I believe they planned to blow up 10 planes so only 10 of them would need passports.

And not all of them, according to this guy on your link Andrew, may have even been terrorists at all, wrongly arrested.

 

[andrew_nixon]

Not really. I believe they planned to blow up 10 planes so only 10 of them would need passports.

And how would they do this without bomb making experience and without plane tickets?

 

[Kev]

Well if I were planning to blow up a plane while on it, I wouldnt purchase plane tickets until the last moment so as not to alert the authorities. Who cares what they would cost, I'd buy them on my visa.
As for bomb making experience, I dont think Btec do a course on it, but I dont think its that hard, I was making things go bang in chemistry as an 11 year old. Maybe their bombs wouldnt have worked, but it I wouldnt want to stand next to a bomb made by a first timer, beginners luck and all.

 

[Sureshot]

But he ain't gettin' on no plane sucka.

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For you

Not really. I believe they planned to blow up 10 planes so only 10 of them would need passports.

And who's to say we have arrested all those involved...

You say about needing a passport.

Did you hear about this:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13537851,00.html

Well if I were planning to blow up a plane while on it, I wouldnt purchase plane tickets until the last moment so as not to alert the authorities. Who cares what they would cost, I'd buy them on my visa.
As for bomb making experience, I dont think Btec do a course on it, but I dont think its that hard, I was making things go bang in chemistry as an 11 year old. Maybe their bombs wouldnt have worked, but it I wouldnt want to stand next to a bomb made by a first timer, beginners luck and all.

My dad was told how to make bombs by his Science teacher (40+ years ago)

Needless to say he made one and 'Tested' it on the School Post Box.

 

[Milo_LCCC]

the bomb they were going to use wud of onli been small probably enough to kill the bomber from the intial explosion but the wud be more than enuff to put a hole in the plane and make it depressurise this can make a plane crash

 

[Sureshot]

They've found some bomb making equipment in a suitcase in some woods near one of the suspects houses.

 

[embi]

the bomb they were going to use wud of onli been small probably enough to kill the bomber from the intial explosion but the wud be more than enuff to put a hole in the plane and make it depressurise this can make a plane crash

A small hole in the plane isn't a major disaster. Sure enough, you wouldn't want to be sitting near it, but its not always fatal to a plane. There have been plenty of cases of planes surviving after being depressurised. Thats what oxygen masks are there for, if the plane depressurises.

 

[Sureshot]

Not always fatal?

At 30,000 feet a bomb on a plane wouldn't actually make a small hole either.

And a hole on a plane that high up would be fatal!

 

[andrew_nixon]

I've just had a thought.

If I remember my Chemistry correctly, there are some liquids that can actually explode when mixed without any spark or other form of ignition. Now, at some airports liquids are emptied out of their containers into one large receptacle. In other words, they're mixed. If liquids that contains the explosive liquids are being poured into this giant recptacle, they're going to have a chance of mixing and therefore exploding. I have a very cynical mind, so this leads me to think that there is actually very little/no risk of liquid bombs on planes, at least no more risk than there has been in the past.

 

[cricket_lover]

I've just had a thought.

If I remember my Chemistry correctly, there are some liquids that can actually explode when mixed without any spark or other form of ignition. Now, at some airports liquids are emptied out of their containers into one large receptacle. In other words, they're mixed. If liquids that contains the explosive liquids are being poured into this giant recptacle, they're going to have a chance of mixing and therefore exploding. I have a very cynical mind, so this leads me to think that there is actually very little/no risk of liquid bombs on planes, at least no more risk than there has been in the past.

certain liquids can react with the air (and its mixture) and explode. Now, such things are not readily available to common man.

 

[andrew_nixon]

certain liquids can react with the air (and its mixture) and explode. Now, such things are not readily available to common man.

Someone else who doesn't read my posts. I'm not talking about liquids that react with the air.

 

[nightprowler10]

certain liquids can react with the air (and its mixture) and explode. Now, such things are not readily available to common man.

But the kinds of liquids that Andrew is talking about can be quite easily stolen from a school chemistry lab.

 

[Sureshot]

There's some quite explosive liquids you can buy in supermarkets/DIY Stores.

I think we need to wait a few more weeks/months before we give our full opinion on the matter as suspects are still being questioned and houses and areas are still being searched, with some interesting things found so far.

 

[Milo_LCCC]

definetley though it must be very worrying to the authorities to know that these explosive substances can be easily bought from DIY shops.