Air Terror Bid Foiled in England

[Sureshot]

So, the new terror alert level thing was launched last week. Yesterday John Reid, the home secratary gives a speech saying how freedoms may have to be restricted in the fight against terrorism. Today, there's a foiled terror attack, giving us an oppurtunity to use the new terror alert level thing. What a coincidence.

So they staged the foiled terror attack? Or planned the terror alert level with it?



*Andrew in a conspiracy shock!*

 

[embi]

So, the new terror alert level thing was launched last week. Yesterday John Reid, the home secratary gives a speech saying how freedoms may have to be restricted in the fight against terrorism. Today, there's a foiled terror attack, giving us an oppurtunity to use the new terror alert level thing. What a coincidence.

I don't think its a conspiracy, just the Government twisting something for their benefit.
The government actually knew about the plot well before Thursday, so they used it to their advantage.

 

[usy]

The terrorists (this is assuming they are Muslims as the report you quoted didnt say) believe they are doing the right thing and that any punishment that is given is worth it if they are doing God's will.

You are 100% wrong, You have no right to call Muslims 'terrorists' under the fact you not know the FULL knowing knowledge of the religion itself. OK I agree they are bad people who tried to do this, but their are bad people in every community, Christians, Jews and other, and the rest have to put up with them. They may say they are fighting 'for religion'. and many don't agree. As a Muslim I sometimes feel down because of people like this. How many times will I say they are not Muslims but terrorists. I am against it, Islam is against it.

 

[cricket_lover]

indeed. Every religion is against violence or such acts. The problem with religion (and i mean most religions) is that they can be mis-interpreted. That is the problem we are facing in most socieities where there is such violence/acts being committed.

This event is a bit interesting, and it should further fuel up the Israeli action in Lebanon and also there'll be an increase in security in most countries.

 

[F4rrukh]

Bydaway did anybody here hear Blair thanking Musharaf for helping you guys finding this out..?

 

[sohum]

Travel around the world is being disrupted greatly. I'm due to fly back to hte US in 14 days and I'm unsure of what I will be able to carry with me. Laptops and cell phones are not allowed in hand baggage, meaning that if checked in baggage doesn't arrive (which is so often the case in long, connecting routes) there'll be no method of communication and a great deal of private goods being held under ransom.

I hope airlines/government take some responsibility for this, but I know they won't. Also it hasn't been mentioned here yet, but all the outbound flights were to the US. Maybe its time for them to get their noses and fingers out of every one else's country.

 

[Kev]

Travel around the world is being disrupted greatly. I'm due to fly back to hte US in 14 days and I'm unsure of what I will be able to carry with me. Laptops and cell phones are not allowed in hand baggage, meaning that if checked in baggage doesn't arrive (which is so often the case in long, connecting routes) there'll be no method of communication and a great deal of private goods being held under ransom.

I hope airlines/government take some responsibility for this, but I know they won't. Also it hasn't been mentioned here yet, but all the outbound flights were to the US. Maybe its time for them to get their noses and fingers out of every one else's country.

One thing you might consider is using a company like fedex or UPS to ship your laptop, that way it is at least insured.

 

[.::Stevo::.]

You are 100% wrong, You have no right to call Muslims 'terrorists' under the fact you not know the FULL knowing knowledge of the religion itself. OK I agree they are bad people who tried to do this, but their are bad people in every community, Christians, Jews and other, and the rest have to put up with them. They may say they are fighting 'for religion'. and many don't agree. As a Muslim I sometimes feel down because of people like this. How many times will I say they are not Muslims but terrorists. I am against it, Islam is against it.

Then can you please explain why there aren't any 'Jew' or 'Christian' terrorists in the headlines blowing themselves up?

 

[andrew_nixon]

Just saying "they're not Muslims because Muslims don't do this" is a logical fallacy. The people in America who murder abortion doctors are still Christians, the IRA are still Catholics, and these terrorists are still Muslims. Let's not be naive about this. Their religion almost certainly played a part in their actions, let's not pretend otherwise.

 

[usy]

huh, You don't get the point, bad people in every community means, some are theifs, some are racist, some are terrorists and other....

Like take you for a example , So many Australians are good, and there are some like you.

Just saying "they're not Muslims because Muslims don't do this" is a logical fallacy. The people in America who murder abortion doctors are still Christians, the IRA are still Catholics, and these terrorists are still Muslims. Let's not be naive about this. Their religion almost certainly played a part in their actions, let's not pretend otherwise.

Remember their actions, of killing people gets them out of the religion.

Example:

I did something bad, I killed non-muslims for no reason, it may have got me out of Islam where i'm saying I'm fighting 'for Allah'. get it

 

[embi]

huh, You don't get the point, bad people in every community means, some are theifs, some are racist, some are terrorists and other....

Like take you for a example , So many Australians are good, and there are some like you.


Remember their actions, of killing people gets them out of the religion.

I would still consider them a sort of muslim, even if it was a different sort of Islam than mainstream (i'd probably call it extremist).

And Stevo, the Jews in Israel have certainly done a few unkind things, to the people of Gaza and Lebanon (although Hizbollah were firing rockets at them). They get away with it because of the US' endorsement.

And usy, who are these good Australians you're on about? I've never heard of a good Australian? :

 

[usy]

Ok, I'm not born in USA, I go to USA and say I' am a member of this country, does it really mean I'm American??

And usy, who are these good Australians you're on about? I've never heard of a good Australian? :

not a fair comment mate, I've seen many good Aussies, there are just bad ones in them, like Muslims have some bad people in their community, and as I said rest have to put up with them.

 

[andrew_nixon]

Remember their actions, of killing people gets them out of the religion.

Example:

I did something bad, I killed non-muslims for no reason, it may have got me out of Islam where i'm saying I'm fighting 'for Allah'. get it

You're wrong Usy. Just because you no longer consider them to be Muslims does not mean that they aren't. By saying what you do, you ignore the fact that their religion almost certaily played a part in their actions. I could, if you like, point out several passages in the Qu'ran that are violent in the extreme, when Muslims are commanded to kill non-believers, precisely because they are non-believers. Let's not pretend that religion doesn't play a part in violence. Hitler thought he was doing God's work, Bin Laden thinks the same. Hitler was a Christian, bin Laden is a Mulsim. Don't be naive.

 

[usy]

You're wrong Usy. Just because you no longer consider them to be Muslims does not mean that they aren't. By saying what you do, you ignore the fact that their religion almost certaily played a part in their actions. I could, if you like, point out several passages in the Qu'ran that are violent in the extreme, when Muslims are commanded to kill non-believers, precisely because they are non-believers. Let's not pretend that religion doesn't play a part in violence. Hitler thought he was doing God's work, Bin Laden thinks the same. Hitler was a Christian, bin Laden is a Mulsim. Don't be naive.

aha you can get 'passages in the Qu'ran', wow I can get 'passages in the Qu'ran' that say kill innocent gets a person out of the religion itself. I would advise to study the FULL book and then come and say the same, I bet you wont be able to.

I don't care what Bin Laden thinks and does, what he's doing is wrong. and you are trying to say that Islam is supporting it?

Pakistan the most powerful Muslim country helped USA, Helped UK, to fight the terrorists. If Islam said to do this kill non-Muslims, would Pakistan have done this, would they have helped UK, USA? NO.

 

[sohum]

I think you're looking at the wrong end of the stick Usy. The argument is not that Islam justifies such actions, but that it is justifiable by Islam, if I read Andrew correctly. Most Muslims probably condemn the terrorists because it is an act of inhumanity, but the scope of the religion is such that there may be a 'loophole' of sorts.