Duckworth Lewis Madness

[jordox]

When someone comes up with a better alternative, I'll listen to the complaining.

 

[smssia0112]

I don't think they would be set a larger target in that case Colin, but I can't be sure as I don't own a set of D/L lookup tables. Mind you, they bloody well deserve to lose, going off for one over - Bunch of pansies!

If anything, its the other end of the scale where it gets a bit freaky, when D/L is used when a team haven't had many overs. For example there were some very silly totals required when D/L was applied to a number of domestic T20 games last season. One thing that also bugs me about it, is it doesn't account for the makeup of the team. If you bat all the way down you are a bit disadvantaged if you lose early wickets, especially if the other team has a tail as long as the queue behind Stevie in Greggs.

I don't think that tails can be that long.

Generally, the D/L method does a good job, because yes, if you are 9 wickets down and going well on run rate, but still 100 runs behind, there's a good chance you're not going to win.

But it can't though can it. How can you bring such subjectiveness into mathematical formulae?

I cannot see how any system could even remotely accurately take into account the make up of a team, as for one, people's opinions are so varied and two, how would anyone expect it to work, honestly?

Very true. Anyone who expects a system to be able to do that is mad.

 

[barmyarmy]

When someone comes up with a better alternative, I'll listen to the complaining.

It's called a reserve day. Not playing the match again from scratch but using the time to finish it. Not realistic for domestic probably but should be used at international level imo.

 

[smssia0112]

It's called a reserve day. Not playing the match again from scratch but using the time to finish it. Not realistic for domestic probably but should be used at international level imo.

A decent idea, but the problem there is that often even international games are played with one day between matches. How would it be if players have to play 3 days in a row? What if the next day has rain forecast anyway? What happens then?

The other issue is the financial one. When someone pays money for a ticket to the cricket, they expect to see a result. They don't want to reserve time for a day only to see it washed out and have to come again then next day.

 

[IloveGilly]

A decent idea, but the problem there is that often even international games are played with one day between matches. How would it be if players have to play 3 days in a row? What if the next day has rain forecast anyway? What happens then?

The other issue is the financial one. When someone pays money for a ticket to the cricket, they expect to see a result. They don't want to reserve time for a day only to see it washed out and have to come again then next day.

Yeah, definitely true. Cricket is a hefty schedule at times and the fans want what they pay for, a match.

D/L is flawed at times, but is the closest thing to anything else that is reasonable.

 

[jordox]

It's called a reserve day. Not playing the match again from scratch but using the time to finish it. Not realistic for domestic probably but should be used at international level imo.

I said when someone comes up with a better alternative.

There are so many things that would make having a reserve day impossible. Aus covered a few, also the Television shows and ratings. Wont work.

 

[barmyarmy]

They have them for "big games" like WC semis/finals.
As for playing 3 days in a row isn't that a bit like test cricket?

 

[punterpupnroy]

I don't reckon it is that bad, sure it is frustrating at times. But it is pretty fair most of the time. The problem is, no one can make a better method when rain comes.

 

[jordox]

They have them for "big games" like WC semis/finals.
As for playing 3 days in a row isn't that a bit like test cricket?

You don't get it do you?

The cricket is scheluded with the TV companies at the start of the year. What do you think WIN would do if the cricket was rained out on Tuesday and had to be played on Wednesday? They wouldn't show it, due to shows like "underbelly" which pull millions of viewers. They can't interrupt the schedule that much, it wouldn't work. If it did work, we would never see it on TV anyway,(unless it was a final or something, even then it's a big stretch) because it throws the programming schedule out.

 

[smssia0112]

You don't get it do you?

The cricket is scheluded with the TV companies at the start of the year. What do you think WIN would do if the cricket was rained out on Tuesday and had to be played on Wednesday? They wouldn't show it, due to shows like "underbelly" which pull millions of viewers. They can't interrupt the schedule that much, it wouldn't work. If it did work, we would never see it on TV anyway,(unless it was a final or something, even then it's a big stretch) because it throws the programming schedule out.

Nine (you must live in the 'burbs or country if you get WIN) don't even show every game now, late night sometimes misses out. They barely show overseas tours too!

 

[wolf]

If a reserve day is impossible, then if the match is in the balance you would have to call it a draw. Better that than deciding the match by a stupid system like D/L.

 

[barmyarmy]

You don't get it do you?

The cricket is scheluded with the TV companies at the start of the year. What do you think WIN would do if the cricket was rained out on Tuesday and had to be played on Wednesday? They wouldn't show it, due to shows like "underbelly" which pull millions of viewers. They can't interrupt the schedule that much, it wouldn't work. If it did work, we would never see it on TV anyway,(unless it was a final or something, even then it's a big stretch) because it throws the programming schedule out.

I get it fine, I'm just making the case.
I'd be delighted to see the ECB auctioning off a seperate TV rights package for reserve days whereby the BBC could come in and bid for them and they would then be shown on terrestrial if the first day was rain-affected. Not going to happen but we can but hope .

 

[usy]

I still don't Understand what this "Duck is worth a lewis" is but i guess it's bad for Pakistan. SO yeah, amin.

 

[Gunner786]

the chasing team always ends up on the back foot due to D/L

 

[smssia0112]

Not necessarily; it makes the target more difficult because the game is shorter.