But England might win most of home games but when it comes to away matches, their chance of winning is 0%.
Why is this still being brought up? 1. That West Indies series was the start of Englands 'dominance'. You won't get any England fan saying that England were incredible before that because we were still a very hit and miss side and just another average side. But after that, when Strauss and Flower (he was interim coach against the West Indies) were put together full time it started off this master plan.
Before that England was in turmoil, the Vaughan reign was still living off the Ashes win in 2005 and never got over it, until 2007 came around with a bang and that was the epitomy of that English side. The best players of 2005 were injured or way past it and being carried for the sake they were heroes of the nation for winning the Ashes. Big Fred was made captain, and whilst he was a talisman (statistically or not) him being captain was always going to be difficult. Vaughan was getting old and injured more often than not, his knees going the same way as Ronnie Irani's. Then there was the KP + Moores captaincy which was farcical at best and then England set about becoming #1 under Flower and Strauss.
If you look at the tests since they were both CONFIRMED as the leaders of the English set up, they've beaten Bangladesh away, Drawn in South Africa & beaten Australia. So that's two of the the 3 teams played away from home and yet to lose, if you were to look behind the F&S combo, didn't England draw with India in India?
So let's look at this then,
ICC Test Rankings:
1. England
2. South Africa - Drawn Away
3. India - Drawn Away
4. Australia - Beaten Away convincingly.
Now say what you will, but that doesn't look like a side who are a glorified Bangladesh.
They are at their peak right now because if it wasn't for their peak performance, they wouldn't have been bundled up for 10 wickets in just 47 runs.
That was England, probably at their lowest ebb. The England at their peak was the one that shat all over England and India. #
Ahh, I've just realised you were talking the latest ODI, well that does make you retarted, because Tests were being mentioned and you wanted to talk about the ODIs.
They have the batters but they have 0 skills to play spinners. I mean why would the whole batting line up try to hit against the turn when they knew that the spinners were turning the ball beautifully. 4 of the batsmen tried to hit against the turn and tried to show they are bug guys and can smack the ball around the park but they barely stood at the crease for 10 mins each or at max 20 mins.
Right, once again people are confusing ODI's and Tests. Firstly, don't confuse the two, it makes you look retarted.
As many people have said, no one in England will claim we are the better ODI side. I think everyone in the UK was surprised to see England win 4-0 and I think by the end of the Test series the only thing the Indians wanted to do was just come home. So not sure that ODI series really has much credibility.
Secondly, England find it much harder to score against spinners in ODIs than in Tests. Why, I hear you ask? Well because ODIs are Limited Overs cricket and you HAVE to score to make a higher score as possible. This puts the batsman under a lot of pressure hence the play stupid shots and get out easily.
In a Test match, which lasts for 5 DAYS, the batsman actually have the chance to read the spin better because they don't have to worry about having to score at 4 r.p.o in order to chase something down, they can take their time.
If England get bundled out by spinners in India for 47 runs, then Ill happily eat my words, but don't expect the same thing to happen in the tests as happened in the ODI's. They are completely different games.
Unfortunately, we only have past statistics to make any argument because none of us have a crystal ball. Besides, why are you even arguing about test matches when the two just played a one day series?
Unfortunately Shravi, if we took that view to every disucssion, there would be no point in having a Cricket Discussion site.
A completely different point but also, love how some of the Indian fans have become massive keyboard warriors now that they beat England, in a series not many of the English gave our own team a chance in.
You guys are giving England just too much more than they deserve. They are just better version of Bangladesh. Bangladesh might win one or two matches at home and maybe 0.1% of winning a match away from home. But England might win most of home games but when it comes to away matches, their chance of winning is 0%. They have the batters but they have 0 skills to play spinners. I mean why would the whole batting line up try to hit against the turn when they knew that the spinners were turning the ball beautifully. 4 of the batsmen tried to hit against the turn and tried to show they are bug guys and can smack the ball around the park but they barely stood at the crease for 10 mins each or at max 20 mins.
