Hayden Vs Sehwag

[mukund_nadkarni]

@Matt.

As far as the getting out in 50s is concerned, I'd say that was a problem with him initially, but not anymore. He's been getting really big hundreds for some time now. Plus, as far as I know, it is team strategy to let Sehwag go after the bowling. And this is wherein lies his true worth. Not many players in the world can do what he does, and with such nonchalance to boot!

As for the win in Chennai, sure enough Sachin produced a master-class, but it was Sehwag's 83 which made sure India were flying instead of preventing the ship from sinking!!

Also what's it with one dayers?! I prefer Tests myself, but one-dayers take a lot of skill to succeed as well. So if Sehwag, or anyone for that matter, does well in ODIs, that's pretty special too.

 

[mattfb]

Yeah, but he could have backed off a little and work for a big hundred to make sure his team got home securely.

I don't have a problem with him going after the attack early, but he should back off a little when he gets a little more tired, that way he would score more hundreds and would probably be one the of the best openers of modern times, even at this period of his career.

 

[mukund_nadkarni]

Well, while it would be great if he could try to score a century every time, I'm afraid there's a price to pay for everything. I mean, if he does that, then guess he'll never score a six to get to a century, or better still a double-century!! Almost every other day there is a century scored in world cricket. What is the chance anyone gets it with a six, if Sehwag doesn't?!

 

[mattfb]

I don't mean back off a lot, even going at a run a ball. Once he gets that ton and builds a foundation, he can start going quick again.

Plus he can still get a hundred with a 6 if it's the right ball. And besides, whats the big deal if he doesn't?

 

[mukund_nadkarni]

And besides, whats the big deal if he doesn't?

It isn't?!! I tend to think that variety is the spice of life. So as much as I don't want Sachin taking any risks whatsoever before he gets a hundred, I'd definitely like to see Sehwag get it with a six. That, I'd say is his value in world cricket. What's the point if everyone's the same?

 

[mattfb]

Everyone's not the same. He hits out from the start, the others don't. So even if he doesn't get that hundred with a 6 it doesn't make him the same as everyone else. I never said he can't bring it up with a 6 anyway. If the ball is there to be hit, then he can hit it as far and hard as he wants.

 

[sohum]

I know Colin did, but surely mos of the voters for Sehwag have to be Indian.

It's irrelevant. Obviously a lot of the Indian voters are going close-eyedly vote for Sehwag just as a lot of the Aussies are going to do with Hayden. From what it seems here, most of the Aussies don't even think it's fair to compare them. Hence, a neutral opinion is most valuable.

Yes, but he doesn't make a 300 off a run a ball every game. A lot of the time he makes a really quick low score and gets out. That's only helpful for your team at times in One Dayers, and in Twenty20's.

Your argument would have merit if he averaged in the 40's or below, which he does in ODI's. I think a lot of people, including the Indian selectors, take into account ODI performances to judge Test worth, which is completely inaccurate, in my opinion. The very fact that he averages so high suggests one of two things: (1) he is more consistent than he appears and (2) the scores that he makes when he does get in are so huge that it is worth a few innings where he fails.

Oh yes, thanks for showing me that because I'm sure it was Sehwag smashing his 83 off 68 balls and not Tendulkars more composed 100, or Ghambhirs steady 60 odd that won you the game.

And that's why Sehwag did not get man of the match... oh wait. It was quite clearly Sehwag's innings that set up that victory. Without the knock, India would have ended Day 4 requiring something near 300 runs for victory, which would have been a huge psychological mountain to climb.

 

[Highlander999]

It's irrelevant. Obviously a lot of the Indian voters are going close-eyedly vote for Sehwag just as a lot of the Aussies are going to do with Hayden. From what it seems here, most of the Aussies don't even think it's fair to compare them. Hence, a neutral opinion is most valuable.

I'm neutral If it was a choice, of the England bowlers bowling at either Sehwag or Hayden, I would choose Sehwag. Hayden is just so much more dominating, and even mentally you always feel he is going to score big runs. You always feel you have a chance of getting Sehwag out

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Didn't I just prove with stats earlier that so far Sehwag has been more consistent over more countries and against more nations than Hayden?

 

[Highlander999]

Cricket is not only about stats, a lot of it is in the mind. That is why Warne always had a battle half won with his constant appealing when bowling at batsmen. It lowers their moral and makes them feel more vunerable. Sehwag might statistically have more runs but imo Hayden was more dangerous.

 

[naresh091]

As an indian I have felt a lot of times that Haydos will destroy the bowling attack whenever he comes to bat.Sehwag simply takes the match away from the opposition doing a cameo,but he isnt as reliable as Haydos(forget his recent form) is what I feel.Sehwag has turned into a match winner these days,but imo Hayden is always a match winner.
Yup,as Tom said the bowling team would fear Sehwag,but you will always feel you will have the chance to get him out.Hayden doesnt gives that chance.
But still I voted for Sehwag,for I like watching him play.

 

[Tanmay]

Although i'm Indian i will go for Hayden.Hayden was a superb batsman and very reliable in the case of Sehwag he is not relaible at all he can get out at any time in match.My vote for Hayden .Salute to and Aussie Legend:hpraise

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Cricket is not only about stats, a lot of it is in the mind. That is why Warne always had a battle half won with his constant appealing when bowling at batsmen. It lowers their moral and makes them feel more vunerable. Sehwag might statistically have more runs but imo Hayden was more dangerous.

I was actually replying to FB about Sehwag not being as consistent. I have also been saying all this thread that Shewag either got out cheaper or scored bigger while Hayden was more consistent this way, but Sehwag has performed against nearly everyone and almost everywhere.

 

[King Pietersen]

How many of Sehwags scores over 200 actually resulted in an India win? In games where Sehwag scored 200+, how many of those matches were over 1000 runs scored in the First innings? How many times has a Sehwag hundred resulted in India winning a Test compared with Hayden and Australia? How do their overall records compare after playing 50 Tests apiece? How do their overall ODi records compare?

Just a few questions I'd like answered

 

[mukund_nadkarni]

I'm neutral If it was a choice, of the England bowlers bowling at either Sehwag or Hayden, I would choose Sehwag.

I'm afraid that is not the same as picking Hayden as a batsman over Sehwag. Neutrality doesn't count either. Show me a person who has no favourites, then we can talk about neutrality!