Phillip Hughes or JP Duminy?

[shravi]

Ce sera Duminy. Il esp?re avoir tant de potentiel et a fait quelques tr?s bons coups sous la pression extr?me.

I have no problem with you posting in French . I got that. Except, I'm not sure 'knocks' would translate to "coups".

 

[surendar]

Let them atleast all the test playing nations.. Though I like Duminy because of that one particular match winning knocks, I can't compare Hughes or Duminy..

• We don't know how Hughes or Duminy will play on spin/subcontinent tracks
• We don't know how Hughes or Duminy will play quality spin? like Murali, Harbhajan etch
• We don't know how Hughes or Duminy will play other than SA & Aus respectively.

But we want to compare the players so early? There are many players who had given promising starts and gone without address in late future. Similarly, there are players who had terrible start to their career but would bounce back from nowhere.

It's too too early to make a call! They are just on the first step of their career. It is the common relation. Who is better? Well we can't conclude as these two have to play in,

• different conditions
• different pressure situations
• different quality opponents

 

[aussie_ben91]

Let them atleast all the test playing nations.. Though I like Duminy because of that one particular match winning knocks, I can't compare Hughes or Duminy..

• We don't know how Hughes or Duminy will play on spin/subcontinent tracks
• We don't know how Hughes or Duminy will play quality spin? like Murali, Harbhajan etch
• We don't know how Hughes or Duminy will play other than SA & Aus respectively.

But we want to compare the players so early? There are many players who had given promising starts and gone without address in late future. Similarly, there are players who had terrible start to their career but would bounce back from nowhere.

It's too too early to make a call! They are just on the first step of their career. It is the common relation. Who is better? Well we can't conclude as these two have to play in,

• different conditions
• different pressure situations
• different quality opponents

It's not a comparison thread, it is a prediction thread.

 

[surendar]

It's not a comparison thread, it is a prediction thread.

better is a comparitive word though it's used in future context.

Ok, if you say like that, I will predict,

• Hughes to be better in test(out of these two, i.e Hughes & Duminy)
• Duminy in ODIs(out of these two, i.e Hughes & Duminy)

 

[stefan]

JP will be the better player imho. I don't really like comparing players who bat in different positions and have totally different roles in their teams but just looking at the players and their techniques and way of playing I reckon JP will be more successful.

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

option C) Ryder.

hughes is too untidy and has to much competition, the selectors in australia seem happy to drop players right now. He'll miss big stretches. Something about duminy doesn't convince me, he's a future laxman though. capable of some absolutely gorgeous play but never really delivering fully on the potential.

Ryder will finish NZs best player, probably off field behaviour will see him be a bit hit and miss but I reckon we'll see purple patches from him where he's up there with the best ever. think future mohammed yousuf, just add booze.

 

[ouwwwolfpac]

i think j.p.duminy is better at the moment

 

[mrtwisties]

the selectors in australia seem happy to drop players right now.

You're kidding, right? They held on to Hayden for too long, they've been holding on to Hussey for ages, they're selecting Clarke for formats that don't suit him, and all the while you've got people like Chris Rogers blasting away in the background and not getting a look in! The preference of the Australian selectors has been and will be to not shake up the team if they can at all avoid it. If he has a good Ashes, Hughes will be in, and it'll take some doing to dislodge him after that.

One factor that's being neglected in this discussion is the fact that Hughes is just 20 years old and still very new to senior cricket. That means two things: first, that he will learn rapidly and continue to improve for at least the next 3-5 years; second, that he's a natural when it comes to the temperament required of batsmen.

That temperament is his key strength. It means he can play in disciplined fashion, grinding out an innings. It means he lifts the morale and performance of those around him. It means he can perform under tremendous pressure. It means he can convert his 50s to 100s, and his 100s to higher scores. Most batsmen don't get good at this stuff until their late 20s, if ever, and Hughes is way ahead of the curve.

That said, I think Duminy's probably going to be the better batsman. Duminy also has a good temperament (albeit at 25, not 20), and he's got a classy, reliable batting style. Hughes will have to refine his home-grown technique into something that's a bit less chancy to even the playing field between these two. He's reputedly a quick learner, but who knows whether he can manage it?

Final Thought
Against a firing Australian attack in the first two tests, Duminy scored 136 runs iat 45.33. Against a firing South African attack in the last test, Hughes scored 65 runs at 32.5.

 

[aussie_ben91]

Against a firing Australian attack in the first two tests, Duminy scored 136 runs iat 45.33. Against a firing South African attack in the last test, Hughes scored 65 runs at 32.5.

Oh c'mon, now that is just wrong. Apart from the first Test, the Australian top and middle order has looked at sea whenever Phillip Hughes hasn't been at the crease. The South African bowlers have been bowling well, Hughes has just made them look mediocre.

Also, in the last Test, the two delieveries that got Hughes out were hardly comprehensive but more then less a laspe of concentration. The balls that got Duminy out were genuine dismissals. It wasn't as if the bowling outdid Hughes because if you saw him bat then it was very much the other way round. Hughes hit allot of good balls for boundaries - You've just been decieved by how well he has batted.

On a side note, it'll be good to refresh this topic in a few years time.

 

[stefan]

duminy is a permanent fixture but not hughes..this is because of the transformation policy...
does it really matter who's better?

Duminy has always been picked on merit. He has never been a transformation player. The only player besides kallis to average over 50 in first class games in SA ever, says it all.

 

[CoolzEng45]

Duminy is better than Hughes now. Hughes will better and better when he got most test then he could better than Duminy. Duminy is really look good when he batting and calm mind. Hughes is a bit rush when he is shot. Hughes alway chase batting when bowler is wide and this is risk easy get out.

 

[aussie_ben91]

People talk about JP Duminy & Jacques Kallis being the only 2 to average of 50 in South Africa's domestic competition but I bet they don't know that Phillip Hughes & Ricky Ponting are the only two Australians from recent times to have averaged over 60 in Australian first-class cricket from recent times.

 

[Aditya]

Afcaus J.P.duminy he has lots of tallent he is great batsmen but at one side hughes is just of 20 years and dumminy i think 24 so thats why hughes is also good but dumminy thrashed in first match 150 so he is great player.

 

[stefan]

People talk about JP Duminy & Jacques Kallis being the only 2 to average of 50 in South Africa's domestic competition but I bet they don't know that Phillip Hughes & Ricky Ponting are the only two Australians from recent times to have averaged over 60 in Australian first-class cricket from recent times.

Hughes has only played 20 odd fc games while duminy has played 55. Lets see if hughes can keep that average up. He has started really well but something about his technique leaves me unconvinced.

 

[irottev]

Jesse Ryder > Them both.