Present Era low on talent! 2017

[Satan666]

I completely agree with the OP. I think there is a dearth of talent atm. Obviously, the likes of Smith/Kohli/Root/Kane/Philander have exceptional averages but without context, all that is mere numbers and nothing else. Pitches have either been too favourable to batsmen (80%) or to bowlers (15%). A pitch like the one were seeing at Dharamsala at the moment is an exception (5%) and not the norm.

Bowling stocks are at an all time low and no, I'm not being nostalgic. You have a few elite bowlers and plenty of average ones who have absurdly good records thanks to playing on rubbish wickets. Also, it is very important to consider the distribution of talent whenever one is judging the relative strength of an era. Some of the teams at the moment are distinctly average. About 10-12 years ago, you had Australia who were incredible, India, South Africa, England and even Pakistan/Sri Lanka with squads that could realistically beat any team from any era on their day. How many teams can you say that about at the moment? India if we're being kind and that's that.

Batsmen have massively benefited from pitches being slow/flat all over the world. An average of 50 in the modern day is perhaps equal to 40 a decade ago. As I said, you need to look at the context along with numbers. Otherwise, Rohit Sharma would be among the best this game ever seen with his ODI double centuries haha. Same with Warner and Voges. Need I point out that the likes of Mike Hussey (in my opinion, one of the best batsmen of the past 3-4 decades), Hodge and Rogers couldn't get a look in the team despite scoring over 10k runs? Same with Muzumdar (spelling might be wrong) with India. Now you see blokes like Shaun Marsh be a fixture in the Australian lineup.

Excellent points and arguments. With the current test taking place in Dharmasala had me thinking of the last 10/12 years the Australians had a back up 12 that wouldve outplayed the present teams today.

 

[Satan666]

Disgusting when people use T20 cricket to guage players. T20 is NOT CRICKET!

 

[Till Valhalla]

Trolls are taking over.

 

[Satan666]

Trolls are taking over.

Lmao let me know who be trolling! I'll chase them!

Nah but seriously the arguments and points brought forward thus far have been exceptional and shows that the forum still got a great number of passionate and logical thinking members.

 

[Bluebagger]

Disagree with an Indian? You must be a troll

 

[zwarrior]

But but but but T20

Kohli can have his T20 record because the only format that matters is test cricket.

But but but but, ODI ? Let's ignore that too. And let's ignore T20 too. Why ? Because some people can't bear that some player is better than Smith in those 2 formats.[DOUBLEPOST=1490592960][/DOUBLEPOST]

Disagree with an Indian? You must be a troll

Aussies (Smith) don't play good cricket in some format ? We should ignore that.

You are the guy who told it doesn't matter playing in sub continent. So, only playing tests matters and playing only Ashes matter, right ? lol. Look at the current series. It's a cracker.

 

[Bluebagger]

I couldn't give a rats who is better than who in ODI and T20. Nobody cares about T20 here, least of all CA themselves and ODI has been a dying format for a decade. If Kohli is better than Smith as a T20 player then good on him but he doesn't come close to Smith in tests and nobody in the world does. BTW the last time I checked Australia have won 4 of the last 5 ODI world cups and I still don't care.

I also said only test series against England, South Africa, New Zealand and the West Indies matter. Less so the Windies these days. Like a T20 world cup I couldn't care less about the series in India which is why I'm not watching I'm only happy to hear Smith is killing it over there and putting Kohli to shame, which isn't too hard when you're the best batsman in the world

 

[Yash.]

Bluebagger only cares about the series in which Australia stand to wiN!

 

[zwarrior]

I couldn't give a rats who is better than who in ODI and T20. Nobody cares about T20 here, least of all CA themselves and ODI has been a dying format for a decade. If Kohli is better than Smith as a T20 player then good on him but he doesn't come close to Smith in tests and nobody in the world does. BTW the last time I checked Australia have won 4 of the last 5 ODI world cups and I still don't care.

I also said only test series against England, South Africa, New Zealand and the West Indies matter. Less so the Windies these days. Like a T20 world cup I couldn't care less about the series in India which is why I'm not watching I'm only happy to hear Smith is killing it over there and putting Kohli to shame, which isn't too hard when you're the best batsman in the world

Ignore all you want, but that's the truth. Just because you don't care about LO (because Kohli is good and you don't like him), doesn't mean everyone else do the same. You are scared to accept the truth and that's fine.

Smith is putting Kohli to shame ? Wow. Alright, I will look back at my dressing room and reply back later.

 

[Satan666]

Ignore all you want, but that's the truth. Just because you don't care about LO (because Kohli is good and you don't like him), doesn't mean everyone else do the same. You are scared to accept the truth and that's fine.

Smith is putting Kohli to shame ? Wow. Alright, I will look back at my dressing room and reply back later.

I am a fan of Kohli but Smith did put him to shame in this series.[DOUBLEPOST=1490618087][/DOUBLEPOST]

Ignore all you want, but that's the truth. Just because you don't care about LO (because Kohli is good and you don't like him), doesn't mean everyone else do the same. You are scared to accept the truth and that's fine.

Smith is putting Kohli to shame ? Wow. Alright, I will look back at my dressing room and reply back later.

Youre being a bit idiotic here for using T20 cricket as a yardstick. Honestly youre way out of your depth here.

 

[zwarrior]

I am a fan of Kohli but Smith did put him to shame in this series.[DOUBLEPOST=1490618087][/DOUBLEPOST]

Youre being a bit idiotic here for using T20 cricket as a yardstick. Honestly youre way out of your depth here.

He didn't put anyone to shame. He performed well while kohli didn't. What's shame in that ? If he shamed anyone, it would be himself due to that drs thing.

And I am not being idiotic. You guys are completely ignoring ODI. I am concentrating on ODI and T20, but you guys are completely ignoring ODI.

What I am telling is, while Smith is better in Tests, Kohli is far better in ODI and T20I. Simple.

 

[Satan666]

He didn't put anyone to shame. He performed well while kohli didn't. What's shame in that ? If he shamed anyone, it would be himself due to that drs thing.

And I am not being idiotic. You guys are completely ignoring ODI. I am concentrating on ODI and T20, but you guys are completely ignoring ODI.

What I am telling is, while Smith is better in Tests, Kohli is far better in ODI and T20I. Simple.

Give me a break you cant brainwash me with your T20 BS. Why you guys dont stop playing international cricket and run the IPL 12 months for the year?

 

[zwarrior]

Give me a break you cant brainwash me with your T20 BS. Why you guys dont stop playing international cricket and run the IPL 12 months for the year?

Lol. Again ignoring ODI. Good job

 

[Satan666]

Lol. Again ignoring ODI. Good job

Sorry.

ODI can be used a bit in guaging a player but not solely as the case of Michael Bevan would be regarded in the top 5 batsmen to play the game.

 

[zwarrior]

Sorry.

ODI can be used a bit in guaging a player but not solely as the case of Michael Bevan would be regarded in the top 5 batsmen to play the game.

Look. I am not denying smith is good in test and the best right now.

What I am telling is, when these players play all the formats, you have to consider all the formats when you are rating as a overall good cricketer. These players have played good amount of matches in all formats. SO, one has to consider those formats too. That's common sense. If you want to tell only test matters, let them quit playing odi and t20i.

Telling smith is the best and root, kane , kohli is not, is BS. Kohli has best T20I stats and ODI stats and decent test stats. Whether you like it or not, that's the truth. Same goes with root and kane . They are no less than smith when you are rating them as best cricketers.