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One of depth? He played brilliantly in the 2nd innings. Considering all the circumstances he couldn't of done any better. He has been very much similar to Ricky Ponting in first-class cricket and his introduction to Test cricket except that Hughes has performed better against better competition, in more difficult conditions. Ricky Ponting is probably the 4th best batsman, with only Bradman, Tendulkar & Richards being better then him. If Hughes maintains this throughout the rest of his career then I believe he'll finish the 2nd best batsman of alltime.

I'm not basing this over statistics. I'm basing this over how impressed I have been with Hughes. He may have only 30 in each innings but check out how comfortable he has looked against Steyn swinging the ball at 90mph and the ball nipping off the seam aswell. To be able to fend that and defend amazing delieveries like that with ease and then absolutely crunch a slight loose ball to the boundary is nothing short of amazing. I can guareente you that only fewer players in the history of the game have had that ability to do that and that over 90% of the batsman averaging over 50 in the modern era wouldn't have done any better then Hughes if they were in a similar predictament.

Pietersen hasn't set the world alight over the past few years but I believe he ranks among the best batsman in the world. I believe Pietersen's better then some batsman who have been more successful over the past few years because he has impressed me more and done more incredible things.

Albeit the amount of pressure he was on, Pietersen absolutley annilated South Africa in the ODI series in 2005, scoring 3 unbelievable hundreds. The slack he copped from the crowd and opposition was disgusting. What Pietersen acchieved in that series, under so much pressure is incredible. Not only to do it once but three times, clearly shows a great story and defines a truly great batsman.

Pietersen also debuted in the greatest Test series of alltime - Ashes 2005. He averaged over 50 for the series aswell. His first Test innings, he came in whilst McGrath was bowling one of the greatest spells of bowling in the history of the game and he destroyed McGrath. He followed that up with 3 fifities in his first 3 Test innings against Shane Warne when Warne was at his very best. To top that off, his maiden Test hundred was arguably the most important 100 of the entire series - the last day at the Oval. So, Pietersen's maiden Test hundred is basically the most significant 100 because it was the most significant 100 in the most significant Test series of alltime.

I can't put into words how impressed I have been with Pietersen, under such significant circumstances, but I feel the same way about Hughes. It's character like Hughes & Pietersen which makes batsman great and which is why I believe that will be better then any other batsman from the modern era and that only Tendulkar, Lara & Ponting will be comparable.
 
My super fast bowler:
- Determination of Bob Willis
- Stamina of Andrew Flintoff
- Suppleness of Shoaib Akhtar
- Conditioning of Dennis Lillee
- Action of Brett Lee
- Bouncer(s) of Andy Roberts
- Yorker of Joel Garner
- Pace of Jeff Thomson
- Conventional swing of Malcolm Marshall
- Reverse swing of Waqar Younis
- Accuracy of Curtly Ambrose
- Seam movement of Glenn Mcgrath
- Cutters of Nathan Bracken
- Guile of Andy Roberts

WOW wouldn't that be a bowler. I would change one thing and that is the stamina, I would have gone with Courtney Walsh.
 
I massively enjoyed Hughes' 2 hundreds as well, but my point is, I think it's incredibly early to be rating a player so highly. He may have performed admirably, but there have been alot of players that have made early impressions in Test cricket but have never turned that into a long career. 1 example that springs to mind is Imran Nazir who made a hundred at Barbados (the quickest pitch in the West Indies) against Walsh and Ambrose opening the batting aged 18, but he never managed to continue that on and form a career out of it. He also had 2 Test hundreds at the age of 20, but where is he now? Selling himself out making abit of cash in the ICL.

The comparison between Hughes and Pietersen is a good one, but I think Pietersen's 2 big innings, the first one at Lords, and the one at the Oval were in tougher overall conditions. At Lords he came in with his side collapsing, with McGrath extracting some serious seam movement down the slope, and he survived that spell and then took to him and Warne the next morning. Then at the Oval, he was then subjected to coming in with his side collapsing, with Warne and McGrath bowling beautifully once more, and after a shaky start went on to put together one of the most important innings of them all. Hughes' 2 innings came when the lauded South African attack were performing well below par, and although his innings' were vital to the team cause, I don't think the pressures and bowling attacks were anywhere near as good. Just my view.

I'm sure Hughes will go on to build himself a career, but to say he will go on to surpass Hayden at this early stage is quite silly. Yes, he's had a good start, and he deserves praise for that, but I wouldn't compare him to any of the greats just yet.
 
I don't think that the South African attack were below par. Did you see how cheaply all of the other Australian wickets fell in the 1st innings of the 2nd Test after Hughes got out? Australia went from 1-181 to 350 allout. Basically 9-230 and considering that South Africa got skittled for 220, including Smith & Kallis getting cleaned up and having to retire hurt - You can't say that Hughes wasn't the massive difference between the 2 teams.

Hughes' 75 in the 2nd innings of the 1st Test aswell came when Australia were bowled out for under 200 and that's when Hughes had to bat through the most difficult part of the innings.

It's not that South Africa has been below par, it's just that Hughes has been too good for them. South Africa have looked all at sea against Hughes and have looked far more comfortable bowling to the other batsman, which is a great compliment for such a young batsman.
 
I'm with Ben on this one. Twin hundreds. Away from home. Against South Africa. In South Africa. Pitch is bowler-friendly according to everyone. Quality pace attack (Steyn/Ntini/Morkel/Kallis). Opening the innings. No hiding place.

It's also easy to underestimate how hard it is to open the innings. Most of the famous innings come from the middle order. Besides, all openers have an appalling record in South Africa.

As for the thread, Manee's got the perfect bowler spot on, except that I wouldn't rate Lee's as the best-looking action.
 
so you would rate him better than some modern greats based on his performance in 2 tests??

also agree with the bowling action, he should have gone with Holdings. ;)
 
WOW wouldn't that be a bowler. I would change one thing and that is the stamina, I would have gone with Courtney Walsh.

Perhaps, was always a borderline call and perhaps I underappreciate Walsh's stamina because I wasn't a follower of cricket when he was in his prime and so didn't get to experience him bowling all those overs - certainly a good call though.

As for the thread, Manee's got the perfect bowler spot on, except that I wouldn't rate Lee's as the best-looking action.

also agree with the bowling action, he should have gone with Holdings. ;)

Perhaps, Lee's action is okay to watch for me but the biomechanics are spot on. Tbh, the three actions I prefer watching above all others are Waqar's conventional swing action (not the low slung one that he often used), Lillee and Andy Roberts.
 
Yes, but the second law of life (the first being too long to explain) is that I am always right.
 
Phil Hughes at Durban was the sort of innings (twice) which many of the great batsmen don't play until they are a lot older. So, at this stage of his career, he's as good as almost anyone was at that age.
 
Yes, but the second law of life (the first being too long to explain) is that I am always right.

The first laws not too long to explan, it's simply:

King Pietersen is always right. Ignore all other laws.

Therefore, Kevin Pietersen's the greatest batsman of all-time, Ian Bell's going to end his career held in higher esteem than Bradman, Graham Napier's class and Ian Pont's opinion > Yours.

:D
 
The first laws not too long to explan, it's simply:

King Pietersen is always right. Ignore all other laws.

Therefore, Kevin Pietersen's the greatest batsman of all-time, Ian Bell's going to end his career held in higher esteem than Bradman, Graham Napier's class and Ian Pont's opinion > Yours.

:D

No! The first law is that if we are to question everything, nothing is certain bar the aforementioned.
 
Guy, thread is for Super Cricketer, not for some comparision. i agree Philip Huges is good(yeah he said in press that he liked to be called philip not phill), but it is too early to make a call.

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I dont know why dan has such a cactus boner over Ian bell. He is just another good player. a fit Michael Vaughn is better then K.P and rest of English players
 
Guy, thread is for Super Cricketer, not for some comparision. i agree Philip Huges is good(yeah he said in press that he liked to be called philip not phill), but it is too early to make a call.

max_dillon2007 added 6 Minutes and 27 Seconds later...

I dont know why dan has such a cactus boner over Ian bell. He is just another good player. a fit Michael Vaughn is better then K.P and rest of English players

didnt you just say the thread is not about comparisons :rolleyes:
 

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