Time for the FA to act, for the good of the England team

[King Pietersen]

This is hilarious. United weren't bothered when it was Chelsea getting investment, but as soon as their big rivals get some major investment they're calling for a salary cap, limiting foreign players. Seems the United fans are pretty worried about Manchester City's new found fortune.

 

[Leicester Fox]

Yes because 1 person represents 330 million people.

 

[Animator!]

We live in a Capitalist society, nothing will ever happen because the FA, UEFA, whoever do not have the authority to question the ownership of clubs other than on moral grounds. Considering there is nothing morally wrong with the owners of Manchester City, Chelsea, Manchester United etc, they cannot be removed. We live in a Capitalist society, this is just a product of Capitalism, it's going to happen. It, like our economy over the last 15 years will reach a point to which growth stops, or decreases because it's reached all it can reach at that particular moment in time.

Besides, English players know they can go play in other European leagues if they wish and are good enough. It's just at this moment in time, there isnt talent good enough. The quality of English players has nothing to do with the number of foreign players in the Premiership, if anything the quality of players in the Premier league has now lead to the standard of players breaking through improving, as they have to be better to get a game.

 

[King Pietersen]

No, sorry, all I've been reading since the Robinho transfer is people claiming that no-one will want to join them because their City, even with money they won't get players, seems like the United fans on this forum are a little worried by City's new found money, and are worried that City will become the team to join with United slowly becoming the smaller club in Manchester. It's happened in London, Chelsea are now a bigger team than Arsenal, no-one would have thought that 4-5 years ago.

 

[Will_NA]

It's happened in London, Chelsea are now a bigger team than Arsenal, no-one would have thought that 4-5 years ago.

Money-wise, yes, trophy-wise/fan base-wise, no.

 

[Leicester Fox]

You can think we're worried but you'd be wrong. Go on the united forums if you like, it's been hilarious. City can become a force, they'll never be one that can't be beaten like you're making out though, no-one can in football. Chelsea had 2 good years after they got everthing together but then they've been overtaken by united, a side who can't compete financially.

 

[PhilD123]

seems like the United fans on this forum are a little worried by City's new found money, and are worried that City will become the team to join with United slowly becoming the smaller club in Manchester.

Erm quite the opposite. Smallest club in Manchester I thought City already were massive, too massive for us.

And to those people saying about Glazer, as Joe says its the opposite. We're now in £666 million pound debt and rising due to interest payments. "Red Football" as we're now called aren't doing well whatsoever. You really think there'd have been negotiations about 5 million in the PLC days?

I don't agree with the foreigner limit though, they've made this league successful, and look at the likes of Cantona, Zola or Henry, who with a foreigner cap might not have had the chance to come to England. The England team was crap when there hardly any foreigners, thats not going to make a difference.

The subject of foreign owners, who are detrimental to the English game, and foreign players are completely separate.

You signed up to RI Joe?

 

[Will_NA]

Put a set of keys for a Porsche in the top corner and then see how many goals England score.

 

[MasterBlaster76]

Surely you should take a look at who owns your club before you get on your high horse about Man City and Chelsea.

What? All these bloody Glazers have done is saddle us with a huge debt! Not pump hundreds of millions into us! And as Will NA said earlier, we were already a big club before those losers arrived!

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There are plenty of English players getting time in the first team and if they're better than the foreigners then they'll get that time to develop.



Not at all. I don't buy the idea that players don't perform for England cos they're not paid as well. As Capello is discovering English players seem to panic when playing against foreigners rather than with them. I'm fairly optimistic that this will improve eventually as England are a top 8 team but I'd much rather top English players were able to play alongside the best in the world for their club side and learn from them than have a mediocre EPL and a national team that still underperforms (as we had in the early 90s).

Umm, Italia 1990? Semis v Germany? Where with a bit of luck, we'd have reached the final and probably won it?

Also, the point is they won't get time in the first teams because they'll be stuffed full of foreign players! Oh hold on, they're already like that aren't they? And it's going to get worse!

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You can think we're worried but you'd be wrong. Go on the united forums if you like, it's been hilarious. City can become a force, they'll never be one that can't be beaten like you're making out though, no-one can in football. Chelsea had 2 good years after they got everthing together but then they've been overtaken by united, a side who can't compete financially.

Good point. We're already competing (successfully) with a clown who has more money than sense, so what's one more to deal with?

 

[barmyarmy]

The Glazers, like Kenyon, know that a football club can't simply be a black hole in business terms. It makes Uniteds double all the more impressive for me that it was done with a sound long-term plan behind it rather than by throwing cash around.
Man U fans make me laugh: JP McManus and John Magnier are going to ruin our club, Malcolm Glazer is going to ruin our club. Get over yourselves.

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Umm, Italia 1990? Semis v Germany? Where with a bit of luck, we'd have reached the final and probably won it?

Oh, give it a break. A world cup semi-final (based on beating those footballing superpowers Egypt, Belgium and Cameroon [yes I do remember watching it]) followed by a failure to qualify for the next two tournaments...

 

[MasterBlaster76]

Erm quite the opposite. Smallest club in Manchester I thought City already were massive, too massive for us.

And to those people saying about Glazer, as Joe says its the opposite. We're now in ?666 million pound debt and rising due to interest payments. "Red Football" as we're now called aren't doing well whatsoever. You really think there'd have been negotiations about 5 million in the PLC days?

I don't agree with the foreigner limit though, they've made this league successful, and look at the likes of Cantona, Zola or Henry, who with a foreigner cap might not have had the chance to come to England. The England team was crap when there hardly any foreigners, thats not going to make a difference.

The subject of foreign owners, who are detrimental to the English game, and foreign players are completely separate.

You signed up to RI Joe?

Holy crap! I thought we'd wiped some of the debt off, instead it's become bigger?? Thanks, BLOODY GLAZIERS! As for these idiot City fans saying they'll become bigger than us, sorry lads, but that can't be done by money alone. It takes many years of successful history, as well as having a certain pedigree about the club, something City are sadly lacking. It can't be done with money! You're smallfry and always will be! Berbatov certainly knew which club to go to and God only knows what kind of wages Manchelski offered him!

The England team weren't crap in 1990 and 1986 were they? The fact is only 36% or so of players in the Premiership is English and that's just not acceptable.

Why only four votes? Come on, guys!

 

[PhilD123]

A sound business plan is something the Glazer's might have, whether that business plan is in the interests of United, or the Glazer family is something completely different. Apparently, we just managed to pay the interest off this year, and I mean just, none went towards paying the actual debt off. And that was after we'd won the league. It's really not gonna get too much better for us. And yeah, we have a problem with the Glazers because of rising ticket prices, Automatic Cup Scheme, an Americanised OT and the fact our club is in dire financial straits.

The double was despite the Glazers, not because of them.

 

[barmyarmy]

Manchelski

Nice effort but surely Manmecca City or something would be more appropriate.

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A sound business plan is something the Glazer's might have, whether that business plan is in the interests of United, or the Glazer family is something completely different. Apparently, we just managed to pay the interest off this year, and I mean just, none went towards paying the actual debt off. And that was after we'd won the league. It's really not gonna get too much better for us. And yeah, we have a problem with the Glazers because of rising ticket prices, Automatic Cup Scheme, an Americanised OT and the fact our club is in dire financial straits.

That's how credit works. After paying off my student loan for a year I've discovered I've only been paying interest...
The interest on America's national debt is about equivalent to the GDP of Africa.

 

[MasterBlaster76]

Nice effort but surely Manmecca City or something would be more appropriate.

I concede to that, that's excellent!

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A sound business plan is something the Glazer's might have, whether that business plan is in the interests of United, or the Glazer family is something completely different. Apparently, we just managed to pay the interest off this year, and I mean just, none went towards paying the actual debt off. And that was after we'd won the league. It's really not gonna get too much better for us. And yeah, we have a problem with the Glazers because of rising ticket prices, Automatic Cup Scheme, an Americanised OT and the fact our club is in dire financial straits.

The double was despite the Glazers, not because of them.

I don't get it. Everyone else gets rich owners and ends up swimming in money. We get them and end up swimming in debt! As you said though, we won the Double despite the Glaziers!

 

[PhilD123]

That's how credit works. After paying off my student loan for a year I've discovered I've only been paying interest...

There is a rather large difference between your student loan and a ?600 million pound debt. Well, unless you've been very reckless. It shouldn't be there in the first place, and the problem is our debt will rise and with the credit crunch, it could have serious consequences.