Time for the FA to act, for the good of the England team

[barmyarmy]

There is a rather large difference between your student loan and a ?600 million pound debt. Well, unless you've been very reckless. It shouldn't be there in the first place, and the problem is our debt will rise and with the credit crunch, it could have serious consequences.

The main difference is that Manchester United have a better credit rating than I do and banks are happy to give them money despite their debt.
Point I'm trying to make is that sustainable and managable debt is a part of modern economics and without it the world would be a lot worse off financially.

 

[MasterBlaster76]

This is hilarious. United weren't bothered when it was Chelsea getting investment, but as soon as their big rivals get some major investment they're calling for a salary cap, limiting foreign players. Seems the United fans are pretty worried about Manchester City's new found fortune.

No, I've been calling for a foreigner cap for quite a while now, as soon as that article was printed where it said that only 36% of players in the Premiership are English. Nothing to do with City whatsoever. It's to do with the way football is going in this country.

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Damn, if only the world was in demand for fish and chips. We can make oil from that.

Yeps!

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United might be where because we were good at business, but at least we've done something to earn our position as opposed to just getting some rich bloke in. We wouldn't have had the business oppurtunitys without the football, that has always been the number 1 reason for us being where we are today, it's not our fault if it coincides with sky and the premiership becoming massive. How was Glazer relevent anyway, he's talking about people buying success, Glazer is the complete reverse.

That is what sets us apart from Chelski and Manchelski (or ManMecca City, someone else said). We worked for it, we didn't just have some rich fool come along and decide he wanted a new toy. We could've done though, remember Rupert Murdoch?

 

[barmyarmy]

That is what sets us apart from Chelski and Manchelski (or ManMecca City, someone else said). We worked for it, we didn't just have some rich fool come along and decide he wanted a new toy. We could've done though, remember Rupert Murdoch?

On that basis we may as well give up playing the premiership and just award it to Man U every year. Such is the money in the modern game that the only way to break into the strangehold that threatens to kill British football is to buy in. As we know even that isn't a guarentee of success and can just as easily backfire.
Breaking into the top 4 by hard work is never ever going to happen again - money will always be involved and it's delusional to think otherwise.

 

[PhilD123]

The main difference is that Manchester United have a better credit rating than I do and banks are happy to give them money despite their debt.
Point I'm trying to make is that sustainable and managable debt is a part of modern economics and without it the world would be a lot worse off financially.

The point is this isn't a sustainable and managable debt. It's one of £600 million pounds worth and rising. The Glazers are ok, as they can just sell "Red Football", MUFC are stuck with it. We were in no debt before they came, and they've put us in debt, hence why the Glazers are ruining United.

 

[MasterBlaster76]

It was a very bad idea for FCs to become PLCs. The moment they became businesses available for sale, then any twat could buy them, even one who was going to do nothing but get us in debt.

 

[Will_NA]

Tut, tut, tut. It seems only Arsenal's board are trying to keep Arsenal an English team

What have the Glazers spent 600m quid on?

 

[Animator!]

Buying Manchester United. They took a loan out to be able to afford the club. Then intend of spending the loan off using Manchester United's money, so at the time, they took the money out of United by creating a £600+ Million loan for the club, being able to pay off their own personal debt with it.

 

[PhilD123]

Buying Manchester United. They took a loan out to be able to afford the club. Then intend of spending the loan off using Manchester United's money, so at the time, they took the money out of United by creating a ?600+ Million loan for the club, being able to pay off their own personal debt with it.

Spot on.

 

[m_vaughan]

I don't care about England because they have underperforming, overrated and overpaid footballers anyways. But I do hope the limit of fielding home-grown players for Spanish clubs is increased.

 

[barmyarmy]

It was a very bad idea for FCs to become PLCs. The moment they became businesses available for sale, then any twat could buy them, even one who was going to do nothing but get us in debt.

How would you feel about the Barcalona model where the fans own the club and elect the board?

 

[m_vaughan]

How would you feel about the Barcalona model where the fans own the club and elect the board?

You have to wonder how effective that is because despite suffering a vote of no-confidence from the fans, the current president, Joan Laporta still managed to keep his place because of his "strong" relationship with the board members.

But I agree, they are an example of an actual club with proper elections, although again even in this case, all the candidates use "propaganda" (promising player signings, etc.) to win the presidency. The same happens at Real Madrid. But atleast we are not private companies that can be bought or taken-over.

I for one am really pleased with Ramon Calderon, because Florentino had put the club in a mess both on the pitch and off it. Calderon and his team has sorted us out financially and at the end of last season it was revealed the club is it's strongest state ever. Under Calderon, we have also won two back to back titles, after a horrid three years.

 

[King Pietersen]

He didn't get a vote of no confidence from the fans, 55% voted in favour of Laporta keeping his job. Was nothing to do with having a strong relationship with the board members.

Also, regarding Madrid, Guillem Balague and Graham Hunter are under the impression that Real Madrid are having abit of a crisis at the moment. They dealt with Robinho very poorly, with Schuster wanting to keep him, but Calderon and Mijatovic desperate to get rid of him for the money. There's a big battle going on between Mijatovic and Schuster. Mijatovic doesn't think that Schuster is the right man for the job, the clubs far from in a perfect state.

Neither Barcelona or Madrid are in perfect state atm. Barcelona are pretty much being ruled by the big players, that's why they wanted to get rid of Ronaldinho, Eto'o and Deco. Messi isn't following Pep Guardiola's guidance and is just playing his own game on the pitch, and despite Guardiola's instructions is still just playing like he does for Argentina and under Riijkard. Barcelona are also conceding over 2 goals per game at the minute, and although they spent £32million on Dani Alves, he looked lazy and clueless at the weekend, and was mainly to blame for Numancia's goal.

Seems that England have the teams to beat at the minute, with United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool all looking pretty strong. Man City and Tottenham are also strengthening the teams immensely. The English national team may not be doing brilliantly, but we have the strongest league in the world.

 

[Kev]

Strongest, Richest and most successfully marketed League. People may not like PLC's or Big Foreign investment but the Premiership would be nowhere without their investments.

 

[DPRA]

We do need a quota in my eyes, we simply don't have enough decent English players coming through, and all this about the England players choking, well yeah, but we don't have decent enough players coming through, it shows when we have to recall up Emile Heskey, David Beckham and give a cap to Jimmy Bullard (If he starts) But, instead of them we should have the likes of Theo Walcott and Maybe Daniel Sturridge.

 

[Animator!]

Theo Walcott isnt' good enough to play for any other top 10 ranked International side. It's simply because at the moment, we have an absolutely appallingly small pool of talent.