Trescothick Admits Ball Tampering

[Chimp132]

im gonna buy some murray mints for saturdays game and shine the ball, want to see if it makes the ball swing for longer lol

 

[adyhorn]

Sorry to go off-topic but is there anything in the rules forbidding a speciallist fielder getting picked as 12th man. Plus, if we wanted a speciallist wouldn't we have chosen Colly.

 

[Kev]

Sorry to go off-topic but is there anything in the rules forbidding a speciallist fielder getting picked as 12th man. Plus, if we wanted a speciallist wouldn't we have chosen Colly.

Nope. Pick who you want. I can't understand people who moan about picking a good fielder for 12th man duties. All he can do is field so why pick someone who can't?

 

[King Pietersen]

lets not beat a dead horse...but bowlers taking pee breaks (aka a good old sleep and massage cause they all keep breaking down...and why not substitute a specialist fielder on while you are at it?) before and after every spell was hardly playing within the spirit of the games.

That's funny, I distinctly remember Australia bringing Brad Hodge on to field a massive amount of times. He made a few decent catches throughout the series, notably the catches of Pietersen and Vaughan in the 3rd test. Yet, the only example of a sub fielder affecting the game for England, was the infamous run out of Ricky Ponting, by Gary Pratt. Don't take the high ground on that matter, as you know that Australia used Sub Fielders throughout the series as well.

anyways...still didnt win a test against us when we were at full strength

The fact is, Australia only won 1 test in the series. Even with McGrath in 3 matches of the series you failed to beat us. You can only beat the team that is put in front of you, and be honest, the players that came in are not majorly poor in terms of talent when compared to McGrath, both Kasprowicz and Tait are more than capable test bowlers. Poor excuse again.

and got found out when your chief ball tamerper sooked home to mum....so let 2005 be forever tarnished!! i know the aussie press has totally written it off already and rightly so!

Haha, using Trescothicks stress related illness as a reason for England getting hammered in Australia is ridiculous. Also, using saliva caused by sucking mints is not ball tampering. I'm sure if it was Ponting that came out and admitted it you wouldn't be moaning.

and good point...if jones and the others thought it did nothing why did they not admit to it when the point came up back then? guilty as charged....looks a right cheating sod now!

Probably because they didn't think anything of it, it's not ball tampering. If Trescothick had admitted that the team were scratching the ball then fair enough, but using saliva to shine the ball is NOT ball tampering, no matter what the person has been eating.

Haha, you're hilarious. Just admit we were the better side in 2005.

 

[adyhorn]

Its 2005. Four years ago. Forget it. We won. You "got us back" anyway.

 

[evertonfan]

Trescothick ball tampering eh? Oh noes! Let's run to the dressing room and lock the doors!

Don't care to be honest, using lollipops is hardly taking nandrolone now is it?

 

[Kev]

I admit, I'm not a great fan of using mints/sweets to aid the swing of the ball. It is technically permitted probably because it would be next to impossible to stop. At what point would a player have to cease eating before playing? If he ate a sticky bun at tea then went out to field and applied a bit of spit an polish to the ball would he end up getting done? It's not the greatest example of sportsmanship but its not really the same as picking the seam is it.

One final thought, it doesn't make the ball swing, its thought to aid it. If you are to say that England won in 2005 because they popped a few Murray Mints in their mouths then its fair to ask what happened in the next ashes series when England couldn't get the ball to swing for toffee (pun intended!) yet Australia got it swinging quite nicely? Did the English players leave their sweets at home and weren't brave enough to pop down a supermarket in Australia to pick some up? Perhaps they did, and perhaps the Aussie team had beaten them to it and bought all the sweets - unlikely isn't it

 

[FreddieFan]

This is an interesting issue. I believe the rules forbid dirct contact between the ball and any artificial substance. But in this case it is not direct; the Murray mint does not touch the ball.

If it were to be banned it creates a bigger problem. How about when suncream is worn and sweat is used to polish the ball? This is indirectly effecting it in exactly the same way; but you can hardly ban suncream for safety reasons.

 

[irottev]

He liked eating mints while playing. I don't see the big deal. I always love any opportunity to rag on England, but I have to say, it's not a big deal. If that happens to be a side effect then too bad. There's no rules against mints. Doing it on purpose or not is irrelevant.

 

[.::Stevo::.]

the poms did a lot of blatent bending of the rules in that series which was only dismissed cause apparently the aussies aren't allowed to complain about bad sportsmanship...as shown once again when we played that pathetic indian team recently...but who cares, their true ability was shown in 2006.

love to see that pretty boy simon jones now....he looked so guilty when giving bracks (expletive removed)....what happened to his aspirations to become the world's numbe one bowler?? at least flintoff still has a crack even though he's ben shown to not be the worlds best allrounders shoe lace. maybe he should just stick to unerwear advertisments.

post of the year!

 

[Sureshot]

Rubbing a mint on a ball would land you in a whole heap of trouble, sucking a mint then using your spit to shine the ball is a different kettle of fish. Its pretty common practice to see players sucking mints or similar sweets during play. What do you think they are doing it for? So they are minty fresh when they make appeals? I saw the Lancashire players handing out the mints at a recent County Championship match (not that it did them any good).

They need more than a few mints.

Sureshot added 1 Minutes and 44 Seconds later...

Trescothick ball tampering eh? Oh noes! Let's run to the dressing room and lock the doors!

Don't care to be honest, using lollipops is hardly taking nandrolone now is it?

Give the ball nandrolone! That would be interesting. One would presume the ball would hit the batsmans box a lot more...

 

[usy]

Trescothick ball tampering eh? Oh noes! Let's run to the dressing room and lock the doors!

Don't care to be honest, using lollipops is hardly taking nandrolone now is it?

yes it is, Now Trescothick is smart enough to not tell us what was the "lollipops" flavour, was it minty magic, or coky coke.

 

[Insomniac]

I'm going to use Matt's words here.

Dirty little cheats

had been common knowledge in county cricket for some time that certain sweets produced saliva which, when applied to the ball for cleaning purposes, enabled it to keep its shine for longer and therefore its swing.'' He found Murray Mints worked the best.

and

Through trial and error I finally settled on the type of spit for the task at hand

You can say that you can't outlaw sucking sweets, but this quote shows that he purposely looked for the right "candy" that would help the ball swing / seam. I don't care about players sucking sweets and whatnot, but he's admitted to purposely looking for the candy that would help the ball swing/seam.

Funny how Murray Mints wern't available in Pakistan immediately after the 05 Ashes

If Pakistan did this in the Oval Test, then I'm afraid we'd be labeled as cheats. Since Trescothick did it, its clever and an act of genius.

Waqar Younis admitted to similar tactics after Trescothick when he and Wasim were learning and discovering the art of reverse swing, although when both were accomplished at it by 1995, I believe they stopped as per an interview by ESPN-Star with Wasim in 2006.

The English media ATE into the Pakistan team for the same offence. And you know it.

And yet, you find the ability to defend Marcus Trescothick when the English and the English media absolutely tore into Waqar and Wasim?

Sickening.

 

[evertonfan]

In fairness I never used the term 'dirty little cheats' in the plural sense.

I may lambast the way Pakistan handled the whole Oval 2006 fiasco, but I never actually believed that they tampered with the ball. And you won't find anyone who's labelled Trescothick's actions as a 'work of genius'.

 

[Insomniac]

2 words-Clever Tresco!

Clever, Genius, synonyms