Prince Of Kolkata Set To Retire

[jordox]

I could name atleast 10-20 players who are better off-side players then Ganguly.

Do it.

Current players too please.

 

[aussie_ben91]

It's funny how almost no one whose opinion is worth anything (and by that I mean former cricketers and cricket journalists) would agree with you.

Ricky Ponting, Matthew Hayden, Michael Hussey, Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid, Jacques Kallis, Kumar Sangakkara, Mahela Jayawardena, Mohammad Yousuf, Younis Khan, Kevin Pietersen, Michael Vaughan, Damien Martyn, Ian Bell and AB de Villiers.

All better off-side players then Sourav Ganguly and that's just off the top of my head.

 

[sohum]

Ricky Ponting, Matthew Hayden, Michael Hussey, Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid, Jacques Kallis, Kumar Sangakkara, Mahela Jayawardena, Mohammad Yousuf, Younis Khan, Kevin Pietersen, Michael Vaughan, Damien Martyn, Ian Bell and AB de Villiers.

All better off-side players then Sourav Ganguly and that's just off the top of my head.

Just naming the top contemporary batsmen does not qualify them as better batsmen through the off-side. For example, Ponting clearly prefers the leg-side from what I have seen, as he has a great hook and pull shot, as well as flick through mid-wicket. Ganguly scored probably 5000-6000 of his ODI runs with only an off-side game--he was absolutely pathetic through the leg-side up until the 2000's. That he's still one of the top-scoring ODI players in the game should speak for itself.

 

[aussie_ben91]

All of those players look far more graceful and in control then what Ganguly does when he plays through the off-side.

Just because a player is only capable of scoring through the off-side doesn't make him the greatest ever exponent of the off-side shots.

 

[Funknath]

I see a good banter is going on so, I must join in.
Ok, Ganguly ran Tendulkar and Dravid out, made a 100 and got out himself, lost the champions trophy to pityful NZ team.

But in the 2nd test he took single and gave strike to Sachin so that Sachin can break the record after Sachin broke the record Ganguly then started to score run!!

 

[jordox]

Ricky Ponting, Matthew Hayden, Michael Hussey, Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid, Jacques Kallis, Kumar Sangakkara, Mahela Jayawardena, Mohammad Yousuf, Younis Khan, Kevin Pietersen, Michael Vaughan, Damien Martyn, Ian Bell and AB de Villiers.
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HAH!

Wrong, wrong, wrong...

The only one I would agree with out of that list is Hussey, and thats only during the last 2 years or so. But even then Hussey isn't capable of that shot I was talking about earlier.. God I love that shot.

However, most of those players are better than Ganguly overall.

 

[sohum]

All of those players look far more graceful and in control then what Ganguly does when he plays through the off-side.

Just because a player is only capable of scoring through the off-side doesn't make him the greatest ever exponent of the off-side shots.

Are you kidding me? You are clearly just arguing for the sake of arguing now. First of all, Ponting cannot possibly look more graceful than any of his contemporaries. He's one of the most effective but least "beautiful" batsmen out. By contrast, Ganguly is a strokemaker. He doesn't need power, since he milks the ball through the offside with pure timing. On your list, the closest I would rate to him, in terms of grace, would be Sangakkara and Hussey, and perhaps Tendulkar.

 

[SaiSrini]

All of those players look far more graceful and in control then what Ganguly does when he plays through the off-side.

Just because a player is only capable of scoring through the off-side doesn't make him the greatest ever exponent of the off-side shots.

Yeah, as if he is paralysed to play the leg side and straight batted shots.:

 

[aussie_ben91]

HAH!

Wrong, wrong, wrong...

The only one I would agree with out of that list is Hussey, and thats only during the last 2 years or so. But even then Hussey isn't capable of that shot I was talking about earlier.. God I love that shot.

However, most of those players are better than Ganguly overall.

They're all better off-side players then Ganguly. End of story.

 

[sohum]

They're all better off-side players then Ganguly. End of story.

More like end of your (lack of an) argument.

 

[khalek]

Well part of it. What sums up is the amount of ODI finals we lost on the trot.

What about Kiply Cup and Asia Cup finals? Ganguly wasn't there and India still lost.

Afridi plays like a freak sometimes aswell, so does Dhoni.
If you want to talk about someone who taps the ball with brilliance or hits the ball with little effort then Laxman tops my list.

Why would I support Ganguly? He wouldn't of even played International cricket if he was Australian. His clearly one of the most overhyped and overrated batsman of the current era. If he was Australian then I'd feel similar to him as I feel about Mitchell Johnson. :

I could name atleast 10-20 players who are better off-side players then Ganguly.

Whats the use of comparing him to an Australian batsman as an Australian when he's not even Australian?

 

[manee]

He hasn't been unfairly treated. He hasn't performed well enough to warrant a place in your best 11 in recent times.

He has been treated unfairly by selectors in Tests recently. He was 'dropped' from the Irani Trophy in a statement of intent from the old selectors based on one poor series against Sri Lanka, a series in which all the batsmen failed often against Mendis and Muralitharan. Other than that, I would be inclined to agree/

God I hate it when people do this.

You have never met the man, how can you possibly say he wasn't a good person if you haven't met him? Yes, I agree his on-field and sometimes off-field behaviour to do with cricket was very unsavory at times but I don't know... I don't think it's fair to say that.

I agree with the sentiment of not judging the personalities of people you haven't met.

Afridi plays like a freak sometimes aswell, so does Dhoni.
If you want to talk about someone who taps the ball with brilliance or hits the ball with little effort then Laxman tops my list.

Why would I support Ganguly? He wouldn't of even played International cricket if he was Australian. His clearly one of the most overhyped and overrated batsman of the current era. If he was Australian then I'd feel similar to him as I feel about Mitchell Johnson. :

I could name atleast 10-20 players who are better off-side players then Ganguly.

You really are insane at times; you could theoretically argue that Ganguly may not have made an Australian Test XI in a parallel universe, though I'd disagree vehemently with his status as a 'Mitchell Johnson' but his offside play is second to very very few. The way he punishes balls pitched in the corridor or just outside is sublime.

 

[aussie_ben91]

Are you kidding me? You are clearly just arguing for the sake of arguing now. First of all, Ponting cannot possibly look more graceful than any of his contemporaries. He's one of the most effective but least "beautiful" batsmen out. By contrast, Ganguly is a strokemaker. He doesn't need power, since he milks the ball through the offside with pure timing. On your list, the closest I would rate to him, in terms of grace, would be Sangakkara and Hussey, and perhaps Tendulkar.

:::

I'm argueing for the sake of it?!

Have you seen Ponting play a coverdrive?! Or a cutshot?! They look as pure, fluent and more in control then anyone I've ever seen.

If you truly believe that Ganguly's off-side shots are "beautiful" and you don't think that Ponting's are then you seriously do not know what you're talking about.

The fact that you think Sangakkara is one of the most graceful in the world is also a concern about your knowledge.
He is much better then Ganguly at the off-side but I wouldn't rank him as high as Ponting, Vaughan, Hayden, Kallis, Bell & de Villiers.

 

[SaiSrini]

Great hundred in your last series, you legend!!! Give us more of it in this series, you "God of the off side"

 

[jordox]

More like end of your (lack of an) argument.

Hehehhhehee.