Murali v Warne

[aussie_ben91]

Warnie is not great bowler either. It is easy to get cheap wickets if you are bowling after McGrath, Lee and Gillespie have one all the damage and you are bowling at lower order players.
Also he took most of his wickets against England and SA both of which sides play spin pathetically. Imagine if he had to bowl against Australia when openors have given start of 150 runs rather than when opposition players are just playing to save the test and you can have as many fielders close by as possible.

Yeah because it's really easy to bowl on flat pitches in Australia opposed to spinning paradises in the subcontient. :

But then that means murali has played almost 60 less test matches than warne and although murali would be on 550 wickets he'd still have a higher average. If he had played more against england and south africa he would've been higher than warne. You gotta remember than murali has played more against india, the best spin playing nation, while warne has played more against england and SA, the two worst nations against spin in the established teams. Lets not forget shane warne played with mcgrath, one of the best fast bowlers in the world, so a lot of the time warne probably got his wickets in the middle order who just got onto the pitch while murali took his wickets a lot of the time on established batsmen.

Who cares if Murali's played more against India? It's only one match difference! It should also be noted that when Murali hasn't played India in India his been playing India in Sri Lanka whilst Warne has been playing India in Australia.
Warne also made his Test Debut against India in Australia when at the time Warne wasn't even quite sure why he was playing International cricket and didn't even know if he wanted to make a career out of it and had been dragged in from 1 or 2 state games and fewer grade cricket games into a team where he barely knew anyone. He got thumped around the park.
And judging by most people on this forum's point of view, it can't get any tougher then facing up to an Indian side on a flat track in Australia on debut especially given the situation he was put in.

I often dont like comparing the two but in terms of team effectiveness murali is more special because he was the heart and soul of their team while warne shared it with mcgrath. Not to mention far superior fielding. Its a lot of factors but to say murali is worse then warne is wrong. To say warne is worse is also wrong. Celebrate them just like celebrate ponting and steve waugh. Friendly discussion yes but dont have a verbal abuse and debate on a man who was deformed causing him to bowl the way he does now. God you guys make me sick when murali comes to pitch and start booing him. Shane warne took drugs mate. He shouldn't be playing because he cheated. Its the same sad argument.

Yeah cause Warne took drug to make him look less fat. The story checks out afterall the guy does wear eyeliner.

 

[irottev]

Lets not forget shane warne played with mcgrath, one of the best fast bowlers in the world, so a lot of the time warne probably got his wickets in the middle order who just got onto the pitch while murali took his wickets a lot of the time on established batsmen.

That is a good point. Sri Lanka usually just use him at one end all day. Warne is used much less. I guarantee Murili bowls more overs on average per match then Warne does. Australia had the luxury of having a good all round attack.

This has meant, Murili has bowled more at the top orders but Warne hasn't usually had that opportunity as much.

Warne will always be the better in my eyes. I loved watching him.

Here is why;

-Warne had a lot more variations in delivery (though being a leg spinner this makes sense)
-Warne spins the ball more
-Warne used his brain and changing things up a lot more in getting his wickets, Murili seems to be more about bowling simular accurate deliveries and waiting. Getting mostof his wickets, in the same way, the Doosra.
-Warne had more presence at the bowling crease, when he came onto bowl, there was a lot of talk around the bat, pressure etc.
-Warne has bowled some of the most amazing deliveries of all time. Including that ball of the century.

 

[Sureshot]

Haha, Murali doesn't want his action to be tested during a Test Match. He seems kinda touchy on the subject aswell as he lashed out at Warne.

http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/australia/content/story/320325.html

And wouldn't you be if for 13 years you've been jeered and hated by many fans for his action which has been stamped with approval?

That is a good point. Sri Lanka usually just use him at one end all day. Warne is used much less. I guarantee Murili bowls more overs on average per match then Warne does. Australia had the luxury of having a good all round attack.

Sri Lanka didn't have the Australian attack (which you've already mentioned), they are forced to use him more because he's so far ahead of their other bowlers, not really their fault is it? or Murali's.

 

[ivanvdm15]

well warne has retired so probaly at the moment it's murali.

 

[sohum]

Yeah because it's really easy to bowl on flat pitches in Australia opposed to spinning paradises in the subcontient. :

You made an argument earlier that Murali performs better in Sri Lanka than Warne because he has experience bowling there. Why can you not give Warnie the same advantage in Australia? Apart from the fact that where he was bowling has nothing to do with the fact that England and South Africa were weaker teams at spin. He still spun the ball on the "flat pitches in Australia", so that argument doesn't really come in.

Finally, even with the spinning paradises in the subcontinent, you will find that not everyone is a successful spinner. In fact, look at the last decade. There have only been three-ish standout international spinners coming out of the subcontinent--Murali, Saqlain and Kumble. You've got a couple of people who are decent (Bhajji and Kaneria) but apart from that--no one gets a tremendous advantage from the turn. Playing turn is just another thing, like playing swing. Even the best swing bowlers have to put it in the right place to make their bowling effective.

 

[baburao]

Which team plays spin better?
Answer is India.

Who has got most test wickets against india out of these two?
Answer is Murali.

Who is now acting like a jack****?(Now he wants to check murali's action in a live test match.He is a joker.)
Warne

Why?
Becoz murali will own his record.

Who has got bad habbits like drugs,affairs with girls?
Warne

Go on murali and own that record.

 

[sohum]

To be fair I think Warne's comments were taken out of context. Of course there will be a little bit of tongue-in-cheek mentality from Warnie as well as a bit of jealousy, but I think his feeling was that Murali should get his action checked in a live game to shut up all the fans who think that the biomechanical tests are a joke (of which there are quite a few on this forum).

 

[Cricketman]

I'm loving all the Indian praise on this forum for once. Just lovin it.

 

[.Mob]

Yeah, I agree with Sohum, that's the impression I got. It's a shame that people take it as an excuse to join the "hate Warne" bandwagon or fuel it further.

 

[SciD]

BOTH ARE GREAT. YOU ACTUALLY NEED TO WORK HARD TO GET WICKETS ABOVE 700 IN TEST MATCHES.

 

[aussie_ben91]

You made an argument earlier that Murali performs better in Sri Lanka than Warne because he has experience bowling there. Why can you not give Warnie the same advantage in Australia? Apart from the fact that where he was bowling has nothing to do with the fact that England and South Africa were weaker teams at spin. He still spun the ball on the "flat pitches in Australia", so that argument doesn't really come in.

It is just logical that staticially it has always been more difficult for spinners to bowl in Australia then in the subcontient. I showed an example earlier of a Sri Lankan batsman (Thilan Samaraweera) who has a fantastic bowling FC record (Even better then Warne's) who is considered nothing more then a part-timer in International cricket. Bowlers like Cullen Bailey & Dan Cullen are probably better then Samaraweera but instead have bowling averages over 40 while I'm sure they'd relish bowling in the conditions that subcontient spinners get the chance to experience.

Murali has used bowling in Sri Lanka to his advantage to better his records against all countries except 1 or 2.

He has also played more then half of his matches against England & South Africa in Sri Lanka anyway and has yet to play over 10 Test's in another country other then Sri Lanka.

 

[SciD]

Do not worry Murli will take more than 1200 test wickets and then you can tweak the records as you want to come up with stats but he will still beat Warnie on all counts.

And by the way, why are we forgetting Walsh, McGrath and Kumble.

 

[aussie_ben91]

Only if Murali boycotts the next tour of Australia. The stats will never even themselves out anyway.

Just watch, he'll get flogged in the Hobart test just like he did in the Gabba test last week but he'll go home to Sri Lanka and rattle the supposed England batting lineup that can't play spin to save their own lives and his average will drop back down 20 thanks to those spinning paradises.

Just to prove the difference in difficulty.

 

[SciD]

What has Warnie done on these spinning paradise?

 

[aussie_ben91]

Has had allot less chances then Murali has had to play on.