Australian coaches give doosra the flick

[ZoraxDoom]

"There was unanimous agreement that the off-spinner's 'other-one', the doosra, should not be coached in Australia," Mallett wrote in the Adelaide Review. "I have never seen anyone actually bowl the doosra.

"It has to be a chuck. Until such time as the ICC declares that all manner of chucking is legal in the game of cricket I refuse to coach the doosra. All at the spin summit agreed."

Australia's No. 1 spinner Nathan Hauritz has been working on the doosra for a couple of years without perfecting it, while Jason Krejza and Dan Cullen have also attempted to develop the delivery. However, the spin coaches were keen to encourage Australia's young spinners to bowl aggressively, searching for wickets, rather than becoming too defensive.

http://www.cricinfo.com/australia/content/story/416499.html

 

[pcfan123]

If Oz does not want to teach their spinners the doosra because they personally believe it to be illegal then that is their loss. The ICC has deemed it legal and every other nation will be coaching their youngsters this delivery. Pretty soon most offies will have it in their armory and Oz spinners will just fall further behind international standards than they are right now.

 

[leftarmlegspin]

Yes I found that part of the article more interesting. The delivery can be bowled properly, as Murali and Harbhajan have shown. It just requires plenty of practice.

 

[pcfan123]

Yes I found that part of the article more interesting. The delivery can be bowled properly, as Murali and Harbhajan have shown. It just requires plenty of practice.

my point is that whether you or I feel it can be bowled properly does not matter. The ICC and MCC say it can be, that is what matters. The delivery is now legal, so might as well learn it, instead of trying to hold some holier than thou boycott.

 

[aussie1st]

I believe it should be offered to the spinners, we may just have Murali in the ranks who could bowl it. But if they aren't teaching it then he won't be able to learn the art.

The majority are clearly going to struggle to perfect it so they should be taught the normal spin armory. I don't think I have heard the commentators mention our offies bowling the arm ball. Certainly don't remember Hauritz bowling one during the Ashes so far. This goes a long way to why we are struggling to find a spinner. If the off spinners don't even have the arm ball then they are going to be easy meat for the opposition.

 

[Howsie]

I remember reading that Jeetan Patel was trying to learn it and he pretty much come to the conclusion that he just couldn't bowl it legally. He got called for chucking last season when he was bowling to Matt Sinclair.

I have no idea why the Australian coaches would want to do this though, you really should give each bowler the choice to learn it or not.

 

[pcfan123]

at the risk of sounding ignorant could someone clarify the difference in the release of an off-break and an arm-ball. I know the off break spins into the RHB and the arm ball just goes straight on. I just want to know how the arm ball is gripped in the fingers and is there a discernible difference in the release.

 

[Insomniac]

at the risk of sounding ignorant could someone clarify the difference in the release of an off-break and an arm-ball. I know the off break spins into the RHB and the arm ball just goes straight on. I just want to know how the arm ball is gripped in the fingers and is there a discernible difference in the release.

You don't roll your fingers over the ball to make it spin (like a stock offspin delivery).

Everything is kept the same, except you just don't use your fingers. Some bowlers bowl with the seam up as well when bowling the arm ball.

 

[Cricketman]

Lol, just because they don't have a spinner in the country that is capable of even bowling a regulation off break, they do this.

Your loss, the rest of us will keep using it.

 

[pcfan123]

Lol, just because they don't have a spinner in the country that is capable of even bowling a regulation off break, they do this.

Your loss, the rest of us will keep using it.

This was the point I was trying to drive home. Ignoring the doosra will only hurt their cause. The ICC and MCC have said it is legal, end of story.

 

[Howsie]

Lol, just because they don't have a spinner in the country that is capable of even bowling a regulation off break, they do this.

Your loss, the rest of us will keep using it.

How many spinners in India can actually bowl the doosra?

 

[aussie1st]

at the risk of sounding ignorant could someone clarify the difference in the release of an off-break and an arm-ball. I know the off break spins into the RHB and the arm ball just goes straight on. I just want to know how the arm ball is gripped in the fingers and is there a discernible difference in the release.

Daniel Vettori has the best arm ball I have seen. He has got so many batsmen including Hayden and Clarke with that ball.

 

[pcfan123]

^ that did not really answer my question but I do agree. Vettori is one of the best, if not the best limited overs spinners.

 

[Cricketman]

How many spinners in India can actually bowl the doosra?

An easier question would be how many can't, I think. Most subcontinent spinners know how to use it now. Even Jakati from CSK used to doosra well in the IPL.

 

[Howsie]

An easier question would be how many can't, I think. Most subcontinent spinners know how to use it now. Even Jakati from CSK used to doosra well in the IPL.

So would most of them learn how to bowl it at a young age, and by young I mean 17-20.

It must take quite a long time to master