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Well,the Australian definition of Atheism includes the supernatural.I should have made that clear.andrew_nixon said:
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[sarcasm]wow, what a clear photo. It looks nothing like a spinning top. I'm convinced![/sarcasm]aussie1st said:The UK also have some sightings. What is the explaniation there?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/fun_stuff/weird/ufo_ledwidge.shtml
You are thinking in terms of science. Supernatural stuff requires thinking way outside of the square. Who knows how they get fuel, or breathe. If they exist they obviously have some way.
And if it was a human made device why is it always in the oval shape that UFO sightings always appear as?
If you want to have a rational discussion on UFOs, you have to think in terms of science. Going to the supernatural is just an excuse to not come up with an answer.
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andrew_nixon said:
[Non-Sarcasm] Did you need the sarcasm boxes Andrew? lol
[Non-Sarcasm].I agree with you. It's like (not wishing to start a religious debate, we all know where they end up
) people who cannot explain how stuff happened in the bible/kuran etc say "God works in mysterious ways", an answer that does not provide an answer. EVERYTHING is governed by science.
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Here's an interesting thought, the term Flying Saucer didnt even exist in the context of UFO's until they started appearing in Hollywood movies!!!
What a strange coincidence that aliens took interest in flying to bizzare parts of the earth where nobody but a few drunk hillbillies live around the same time as science fiction movies started to be made
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Stevo, as for your question about Pyramids, its called maths mate, the egyptians (and mayans etc) were easily cabable of constructing these structures. The fact that they are found in different parts of the world that had no connection means nothing either. Did you know that even under a scanning microscope its almost impossible to tell the difference between a human fingerprint and a koala fingerprint even though the 2 species developed in total isolation to each other, its called convergant evolution.
What a strange coincidence that aliens took interest in flying to bizzare parts of the earth where nobody but a few drunk hillbillies live around the same time as science fiction movies started to be made
:Stevo, as for your question about Pyramids, its called maths mate, the egyptians (and mayans etc) were easily cabable of constructing these structures. The fact that they are found in different parts of the world that had no connection means nothing either. Did you know that even under a scanning microscope its almost impossible to tell the difference between a human fingerprint and a koala fingerprint even though the 2 species developed in total isolation to each other, its called convergant evolution.
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Really? Can you explain that sixth sense we humans have by science? When we now someting bad is going to happen, or when we know what song would come on the radio or when someone wil open the door, stuff like that?
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Rules of probability I'm affraid, how many times have you been listening to the radio when the next song isnt the one you think it will be, or how many times have you opened a door and nobody is on the otherside about to open it. The fact that this occasionally happens does not mean its supernatural or 6th sense, its just going to happen every now and then!ZoraxDoom said:
Um, no.
I am speaking of when it happens almost knowingly. Like a teacher is just about to burst, with no indication whatsoever, yet 10 seconds later she is screaming her head off. Or when you know there is somebody else in another room, a guest, and there is.
I am speaking of when it happens almost knowingly. Like a teacher is just about to burst, with no indication whatsoever, yet 10 seconds later she is screaming her head off. Or when you know there is somebody else in another room, a guest, and there is.
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ZoraxDoom said:
Just because we (I) don't know why it happens does not mean it does not have a logical, scientific explaination. Think, 400 years ago we thought the earth was flat, it's not though, is it? (rhetorical question)
No one can explain de ja vu or why we have dreams, does not mean we wont find out. Scientists that believe in ghosts think that their is some kind of energy left (through anger or suffering) which is some kind of scientific explaination.
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If you can find a scientific paper where a scientist says that I would like to see it, cut and paste from a looney website, I'm not interested inthemuel1 said:I didn't think you wanted a copy and paste job from a science website but, hey!.........
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Heres another thing that me and other "non-believers" find funny and really does ruin any cause of ghosts. Firstly all of the pictures are the same. Secondly, look at this pic lol!!!!
http://www.ukghost.com/simulacra_jesussunset.htm
People think that is Jesus!!!!
If you were to explain it to me like this......
What are Ghosts and Hauntings?
Ghosts seen at haunted houses are believed by many ghost experts to be a 'psychic recording' that has been imprinted in the earth's energy field. This is sometimes called residual energy. These ethereal impression can be compared to the way a camera records a scene or the chemicals on photographic paper produce an image when exposed to light. A medium or someone with latent clairvoyant ability may become aware of these recordings and see ghostly scenes from the past. Ancient places are so often haunted because they are saturated in the recorded thought energies of generations of visitors.
Ghosts as projected human emotions.
Ghosts may be the result of human emotions that have been projected during traumatic events. Events involving grisly deaths, prolonged tragic circumstances and drama are likely to leave behind a ghost imprint. A ghost is therefore like a photographic record that is occasionally visible to 'sensitive' people. They are seen like a film clip from the past sometimes with the same scene repeating in the same spot. What is seen is certainly not a conscious spirit trapped in a time warp and repeating the same task for eternity. It is the energy of history.
Frightening Ghosts
Many people become very frightened when they see a ghost but there is in reality no cause for alarm. The real people, their spirit selves, have moved on long ago into the worlds of the afterlife.
I still wouldnt believe it, but at least it was explained a bit. It makes it more feasibile (if thats possible)!!!
http://www.ukghost.com/simulacra_jesussunset.htm
People think that is Jesus!!!!
If you were to explain it to me like this......
What are Ghosts and Hauntings?
Ghosts seen at haunted houses are believed by many ghost experts to be a 'psychic recording' that has been imprinted in the earth's energy field. This is sometimes called residual energy. These ethereal impression can be compared to the way a camera records a scene or the chemicals on photographic paper produce an image when exposed to light. A medium or someone with latent clairvoyant ability may become aware of these recordings and see ghostly scenes from the past. Ancient places are so often haunted because they are saturated in the recorded thought energies of generations of visitors.
Ghosts as projected human emotions.
Ghosts may be the result of human emotions that have been projected during traumatic events. Events involving grisly deaths, prolonged tragic circumstances and drama are likely to leave behind a ghost imprint. A ghost is therefore like a photographic record that is occasionally visible to 'sensitive' people. They are seen like a film clip from the past sometimes with the same scene repeating in the same spot. What is seen is certainly not a conscious spirit trapped in a time warp and repeating the same task for eternity. It is the energy of history.
Frightening Ghosts
Many people become very frightened when they see a ghost but there is in reality no cause for alarm. The real people, their spirit selves, have moved on long ago into the worlds of the afterlife.
I still wouldnt believe it, but at least it was explained a bit. It makes it more feasibile (if thats possible)!!!
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andrew_nixon said:
Good point, but what explaniation via science do you have for this?
You can't say its some plane made by humans. As if you have seen UFO's in action they aren't crashing and they move way to quick for any device we have made. They also are stopping in mid air so you get a clear view.
Thus that rules out any crashing object. And pretty much any plane we have. How many planes do you see that are able to stop in mid air like the UFO's do?
The only one I know of is the blimp or the hot air balloon. Both or which do not travel at the speeds we see the UFO go at.
The light theory, that only works for those flashes of UFO sightings. How does it work for the 2 images above?
