shravi
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Haven't you realized he's Captain Obvious yet? Probably ZexyZahid's son or something.
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Haven't you realized he's Captain Obvious yet? Probably ZexyZahid's son or something.
Themer
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Nah, he didn't link me to a BBC article.
I don't think we're a bad ODI side, our problem is being massively inconsistent. We can go from the brilliant, to the awful. There have been some key points made with regards to the balance of the batting, Bell at 6 is just stupid, but can he get in to a top 3 of Cook, Kieswetter/Davies and Trott? He can only really be fighting Trott, and Trott is averaging 60 odd in ODIs. Of course we are assuming Trott will be fit for the India ODIs, he might not be, which makes the decision easy.
Time for new blood in amongst some of the old guard. You'll be keeping Broad and Swann in the bowling attack. I'm 50/50 on Anderson, his ODI form has dropped of late, but he did okay against Sri Lanka in a couple of games.
I want to see the likes of Woakes in the team, he's a wicket taker. I'm unsure of Bresnan in the ODI side, maybe okay if he's in at 7 and we have 4 other genuine bowlers, whcih with Broad, Swann and Woakes, gives plenty of batting.
Though it needs to be flexible. We need to give Samit some game time during this series, because we will need 2 spinners this winter. Someone who can bat 5/6 and bowl spin is great, please don't put him in at 7 though, wasted.
I think the top 5 is sorted, with Morgan in at 5. Then a case of finding a #6 and people who can be flexible in the batting order/team.
Time for new blood in amongst some of the old guard. You'll be keeping Broad and Swann in the bowling attack. I'm 50/50 on Anderson, his ODI form has dropped of late, but he did okay against Sri Lanka in a couple of games.
I want to see the likes of Woakes in the team, he's a wicket taker. I'm unsure of Bresnan in the ODI side, maybe okay if he's in at 7 and we have 4 other genuine bowlers, whcih with Broad, Swann and Woakes, gives plenty of batting.
Though it needs to be flexible. We need to give Samit some game time during this series, because we will need 2 spinners this winter. Someone who can bat 5/6 and bowl spin is great, please don't put him in at 7 though, wasted.
I think the top 5 is sorted, with Morgan in at 5. Then a case of finding a #6 and people who can be flexible in the batting order/team.
Themer
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Very easy. Straight swap Taylor in for Trott, has just scored another century he cannot be overlooked for this series.
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Ye Woakes is key player for the future. His batting ability is what i'm watching closely since i think potentially its good enough to be top 7 quality and potentially he could be the all-rounder we are looking for to bat @ # 7 in ODIs.
We need to find someone to bat @ # 5. Morgan should stay @ # 6 all the time to play the Bevan role for us.
Candidates short term or long term are Taylor, Collingwood, Shah, Stokes, Hildreth.
Colly and Shah's international careers are over as far as I'm concerned. They'll be looking at youth, there's plenty of options out there, give them a try.
At #5 I'd be more tempted to go down Samit Patel route, more experienced than the others. Very good player and can be a 2nd spinner, which we will need this winter in ODI cricket. For Tests it'll have to be Monty, I don't see any other options at Test level yet, unless you wanted to take a punt on Rashid. Though he's struggling for form, I'd like to see him given that chance. Though I suppose Tredwell might be a safe choice.
At #5 I'd be more tempted to go down Samit Patel route, more experienced than the others. Very good player and can be a 2nd spinner, which we will need this winter in ODI cricket. For Tests it'll have to be Monty, I don't see any other options at Test level yet, unless you wanted to take a punt on Rashid. Though he's struggling for form, I'd like to see him given that chance. Though I suppose Tredwell might be a safe choice.
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I did say long or short term. Colly and Shah depending on form will be short term, while the others would be long term
Danny Briggs over all of them right now. Clearly the second best test option spinner behind Swann ATM.
Briggs 
Very good T20 bowler, but in FC? Nah, not by a long shot at this stage of his career.
Shah and Collingwood won't play for England again., Shah hasn't played in 2 years and Colly hasn't played since his abysmal run of form and rightly so, even if he is still centrally contracted (which get renewed next month, Colly won't be renewed on a full contract). England want youngsters, as shown by this Ireland squad.
Time to move on in the batting department.
Speaking of which, said Ireland ODI squad for next Thursday.
Squad: Eoin Morgan (capt), Jonathan Bairstow, Ravi Bopara, Scott Borthwick, Jade Dernbach, Steven Finn, Craig Kieswetter, Graham Onions, Samit Patel, Ben Stokes, James Taylor, Jonathan Trott, Chris Woakes
Though as Nasser just pointed out, no Alex Hales.
Very good T20 bowler, but in FC? Nah, not by a long shot at this stage of his career.
Shah and Collingwood won't play for England again., Shah hasn't played in 2 years and Colly hasn't played since his abysmal run of form and rightly so, even if he is still centrally contracted (which get renewed next month, Colly won't be renewed on a full contract). England want youngsters, as shown by this Ireland squad.
Time to move on in the batting department.
Speaking of which, said Ireland ODI squad for next Thursday.
Squad: Eoin Morgan (capt), Jonathan Bairstow, Ravi Bopara, Scott Borthwick, Jade Dernbach, Steven Finn, Craig Kieswetter, Graham Onions, Samit Patel, Ben Stokes, James Taylor, Jonathan Trott, Chris Woakes
Though as Nasser just pointed out, no Alex Hales.
Themer
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Really isn't that bad of a suggestion to be honest. Was superb for the Lions last year in the West Indies domestic comp. Wouldn't go for him but isn't a laughable suggestion by any stretch.
Would go for Monty, had a decent season, has the experience and we don't need the extra batting a Rashid (hasn't he dropped off alarmingly this year!?!?) would bring.
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I don't understand why people are trying to chop and change the ODI side so much.
Kieswetter and Cook opening.
We have the number 3 slot sorted with Trott, have KP and Bell at 4 and 5. I know Bell hasn't been at his best in the shorter formats but he should be given the series against India and have Morgan at 6. Bresnan is a proper allrounder and slots in nicely at 7, Broad is England's best bowler in the shorter format and can swing the willow a bit, so a perfect no.8. Swann is an obvious choice at 9, leaving two slightly difficult choices at 10 and 11. I believe Anderson deserves another shot in home conditions. The final bowling choice for me is either Tremlett or Ajmal and I would go for Ajmal, he is averaging 28 and has a whopping great sr of 34. His a better batsman than Tremlett and offers far more variety which is needed in ODIs. I think the treatment of Shehzad in recent times has been shambolic to say the least. Even his one test match provided a decent performance. His managed to bowl well in ODIs both home ans away, in England, Australia and the subcontinent. not sure what more he needs to do.
So my team is the test side with a couple additions...like Nick Knight and many other former players have said again and again, your best team is your best team.
Kieswetter and Cook opening.
We have the number 3 slot sorted with Trott, have KP and Bell at 4 and 5. I know Bell hasn't been at his best in the shorter formats but he should be given the series against India and have Morgan at 6. Bresnan is a proper allrounder and slots in nicely at 7, Broad is England's best bowler in the shorter format and can swing the willow a bit, so a perfect no.8. Swann is an obvious choice at 9, leaving two slightly difficult choices at 10 and 11. I believe Anderson deserves another shot in home conditions. The final bowling choice for me is either Tremlett or Ajmal and I would go for Ajmal, he is averaging 28 and has a whopping great sr of 34. His a better batsman than Tremlett and offers far more variety which is needed in ODIs. I think the treatment of Shehzad in recent times has been shambolic to say the least. Even his one test match provided a decent performance. His managed to bowl well in ODIs both home ans away, in England, Australia and the subcontinent. not sure what more he needs to do.
So my team is the test side with a couple additions...like Nick Knight and many other former players have said again and again, your best team is your best team.
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Briggs
Very good T20 bowler, but in FC? Nah, not by a long shot at this stage of his career.
Shah and Collingwood won't play for England again., Shah hasn't played in 2 years and Colly hasn't played since his abysmal run of form and rightly so, even if he is still centrally contracted (which get renewed next month, Colly won't be renewed on a full contract). England want youngsters, as shown by this Ireland squad.
Time to move on in the batting department.
Speaking of which, said Ireland ODI squad for next Thursday.
Squad: Eoin Morgan (capt), Jonathan Bairstow, Ravi Bopara, Scott Borthwick, Jade Dernbach, Steven Finn, Craig Kieswetter, Graham Onions, Samit Patel, Ben Stokes, James Taylor, Jonathan Trott, Chris Woakes
Though as Nasser just pointed out, no Alex Hales.
IMO Briggs is the next best spinner in ENG in all three-formats behind Swann. I dont know about you guys but i have payed keen attention to him in all the sky matches that have been shows in all three formats and IMO he ticks all area's.
Although its fairly obvious that Shah & Collingwood (although i think Collingwood has an outside of a recall if he has a good domestic season) wont get picked for ENG again, that doesn't mean its the right decision. Shah still remains one of the best ODI/T20 batsmen in England and none of the youngster in the middle-order that may be picked are better than him currently for that format.
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Briggs I don't find special. He is a good limited overs spinner and nothing more. Even Monty has shown more than him I believe.
I agree Shah is a good middle order choice but when he was England's highest ODI run getter over the course of I think 12 months or so, he was not picked, so wy would he be picked now.
I think England need to take a chance with Rashid and I like that Woakes has been picked for the squad, he is starting to grow on me but Dernbach is a ridiculous selection. I would much rather have Ajmal in there.
I agree Shah is a good middle order choice but when he was England's highest ODI run getter over the course of I think 12 months or so, he was not picked, so wy would he be picked now.
I think England need to take a chance with Rashid and I like that Woakes has been picked for the squad, he is starting to grow on me but Dernbach is a ridiculous selection. I would much rather have Ajmal in there.
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You have an interesting definition of crap. Since i'm puzzled as to how averaging 48 in the ODs is poor and 27 in the T20 in which he scored more runs that Taylor.
The only reason Taylor averages more than Shah in the T20 is because young Taylor has 5 not outs and bats down @ 5, compared to Shah who comes in @ 3, thus faces the likelihood of being dismissed alot. So in essence its not been a massive difference in their T20 batting form.
Overall though its very common knowledge that Shah was stupidy dropped from the ENG ODI set-up in of the usual dumb ODI selectors over the last 20 years by ENG selectors. Paul Newman on the dailymail a few months backs alluded to this travesty Paul Newman: Owais Shah at a loss why England shut him out | Mail Online
http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2011/engine/current/match/492343.html
Shah has a hundred today as we speak, although not the greatest of attacks.
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Themer
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And you're well aware he was averaging 27.6 this morning when I posted that. Shah isn't good enough and was rightly dropped. Averaged 30 during the duration of his ODI career (comparable with Belowpara) and was always a liability in the field.
Would also be stupid to pick him when you've got Taylor scoring 51.00 @ 83.88 (quicker than Shah's international career strike rate) from his 48 matches, has scored 5 centurys as well. All that while carrying an awful Leiceshire batting line up on his shoulders. 21, 111, 10, 106, 22, 72 being his current run of form in OD matches as well.
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