Group D (England, Ireland, West Indies) - 10th Match Ireland v England

[McLOVIN]

excluding Gayle and KP (and i dont mean Kevin i mean Pollard) this is such a dull group.

 

[Dare]

excluding Gayle this is such a dull group.

Na you got Collingwood who is a really good 20/20 all rounder, Pollard can hit it far and if Fletcher gets going with Gayle there might be trouble.

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Anyways the mighty mighty Irish that will defeat the West Indies. Cant even beat a T&T team without half its best players.

 

[McLOVIN]

edited totally forgot about him!

and meh Colly isnt that exiting T20 player.

MacLovin added 6 Minutes and 31 Seconds later...

and on Ireland team, boy they got a big mouth! I usually like the minnows, but they actually piss me off! Its not only just b/c they beat us, but the way they are always saying crap.

Ha now I can see why some people hate us. b/c they always say those confident crap too.

 

[Dare]

and meh Colly isnt that exiting T20 player.

He has been solid in the IPL. I know its a different game and there are 4 good bowlers on each team but he is still a solid hitter of the ball.

 

[McLOVIN]

opinion differences i guess..

 

[King Pietersen]

Hopefully England pick this XI:

Lumb
Bopara
Kieswetter
KP
Morgan
Collingwood
Wright
Swann
Bresnan
Broad
Anderson

Michael Yardy must not play!!

Disagree. It's going to turn in the Windies, and Yardy had an excellent season in the T20 cup for Sussex. He's a very handy lower-order batsman, and I'm more than happy to have him in the side as a 2nd spinner.

Kieswetter
Lumb
Pietersen
Collingwood
Morgan
Yardy
Wright
Swann
Bresnan/Tredwell
Broad
Anderson

excluding Gayle and KP (and i dont mean Kevin i mean Pollard) this is such a dull group.

More excited by an over-hyped International dud that might come good in 1 T20 game over a proven International-class batsman, that has just had an excellent IPL? Still hating on England because the umpires gave a few incorrect decisions your way in the Test series?

 

[Dare]

More excited by an over-hyped International dud that might come good in 1 T20 game over a proven International-class batsman, that has just had an excellent IPL? Still hating on England because the umpires gave a few incorrect decisions your way in the Test series?

You talking about Collingwood or KP?

 

[McLOVIN]

^^ :laugh

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

there is no way in hell Ireland will win a match, the netherlands game was a total fluke and england are looking like they finally know how to play twenty20.

I think the WI are looking like a solid twenty20 outfit, I would fancy them to beat england.

mostly because with the WI their best players at all levels adapt to T20 better. England is kinda reliant on their domestic specialists melding with their core team, and I think that just means they're going to find really telling contributions hard to come by. Lumb to make 70 against bowlers with international experience across the board? don't see it.

 

[War]

Disagree. It's going to turn in the Windies, and Yardy had an excellent season in the T20 cup for Sussex. He's a very handy lower-order batsman, and I'm more than happy to have him in the side as a 2nd spinner.

Kieswetter
Lumb
Pietersen
Collingwood
Morgan
Yardy
Wright
Swann
Bresnan/Tredwell
Broad
Anderson

We have had this argument before & i'll restate my positions.

- Just because its going to turn in the West Indies (mainly in Guyana, since Barbados may have bounce) means you have to pick a spinner just for the sake of it. When England dont have much quality international quality T20 spinners around other than Swann. Swann is the only spinner that should have been in the squad. Tredwell & Yardy are T20 standard bowlers, they will be smoked.

- I dont care how well Yardy bowled in T20 cup last season. The standard of T20 domestic cricket in England is poor. Yardy will be smoked by international batsman (although there is a possibilty he could have the odd good game with the ball) - i highly doubt he will be able to translate domestic T20 bowling form on the international stage. But what about Yardy's batting?. He is not a hitter or late order finisher, so having batting @# 6 or 7 is a utter waste of time.

A better choice would have been Patel or Blackwell if the wanted a spin-bowling all-rounder. But since none are on the selectors radar currently, no other spinner should have been in the squad.

You want back up spin for Swann?. Let KP roll his arm over (if its needed) & you have Collingwood to bowl his off-cutters. Thus you could have picked Shah in the middle-order, which would have made the team stronger.

 

[King Pietersen]

You talking about Collingwood or KP?

I was talking about Pollard as the International dud; and then Pietersen as the guy that had the excellent IPL.

Aus, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I've been impressed by Michael Yardy's bowling in T20, and think he could do a good job getting through some overs quickly at 6 a piece. Like David Hussey used to do for Australia. Come in in the middle of the innings, bowl 3/4 overs quickly and put the pressure on. I'd be happy to see him in the side, and feel he offers far more than Shah; who's fielding and running between the wickets is just not International standard. I'd rather have Steve Davies or Ravi Bopara in the middle order personally.

 

[War]

I was talking about Pollard as the International dud; and then Pietersen as the guy that had the excellent IPL.

Aus, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I've been impressed by Michael Yardy's bowling in T20, and think he could do a good job getting through some overs quickly at 6 a piece. Like David Hussey used to do for Australia. Come in in the middle of the innings, bowl 3/4 overs quickly and put the pressure on. I'd be happy to see him in the side, and feel he offers far more than Shah; who's fielding and running between the wickets is just not International standard. I'd rather have Steve Davies or Ravi Bopara in the middle order personally.

As i mentioned b4 i agree slightly that Yardy's bowling can very well & be useful. But again what about his batting?. As i said he is not a hitter nor a late order finisher, so by batting him @ # 6 or 7 he will be a waste of time. His overall package that he brings to the T20 side is poor.

All this talk about Shah fielding & running between the wickets not being international standard is getting way overplayed now. I dont know if you where watching the IPL. But Shah batted very well in the games he played for Kolkatta Kinght Riders & for all the huff & puff about his fielding & running between the wickets woes. I dont recall any commentator making a fuss about it. Neither did i notice it as a problem & trust me i was looking at that closelyyyy..

Shah should be in the squad instead of Bopara. Since Bopara for me if he is playing he has to open - if not he is useless in a T20 XI - based on IPL form only one of Bopara or Lumb should have been picked in the T20 squad in my opinion. So with Lumb being the preffered choice to open with Kieswetter. Shah would have been the perfect man to play in the middle-order since he is hitter & given many of the oppossition teams are likely to pick alot of spinners on the likely slow Caribbean wickets. Shah is very good at hitting spinners instead of getting tied down by them druing the middle-overs. You can't go wrong with that.

Steve Davies??...Ha thats way left field KP. Why would you pick him when you already have Kieswetter?

War added 12 Minutes and 20 Seconds later...

there is no way in hell Ireland will win a match, the netherlands game was a total fluke and england are looking like they finally know how to play twenty20.

I think the WI are looking like a solid twenty20 outfit, I would fancy them to beat england.

mostly because with the WI their best players at all levels adapt to T20 better. England is kinda reliant on their domestic specialists melding with their core team, and I think that just means they're going to find really telling contributions hard to come by. Lumb to make 70 against bowlers with international experience across the board? don't see it.

Although its true England have the idioitc of picking useless county domestic specialist in the ODI & T20 sides that have continously failed @ international level. Technically only Michael Yardy is such a player in the current squad.

I wouldn't consider Lumb one of these to be fair. He is a bit of late bloomer & watching him last season in England's domesitc season & in the IPL this year - he certainly looks like he can be an international quality opener. He doesn't come across as another joke county opener (or county openers who did well domestically, but couldn't translate that on the international stage). Such a past failures since the 1992 world cup such as Ali Brown, Mal Loye, Darren Maddy, Solanki, Vaughan, Bell, Prior, Atherton, G Jones.

I reckon Lumb could follow in the footsteps of Trescothick, Knight & Robin Smith, Stewart (to a level) a be a solid international ODI & T20 opener for England in the next few years.

 

[Dare]

I was talking about Pollard as the International dud; and then Pietersen as the guy that had the excellent IPL.

Collingwood has been just as good as Pietersen in the IPL. Why bring up one guys international accomplishments and bring up the other guys IPL accomplishments.
Pollard is having a great IPL, 246 runs @ 22 and 14 wickets @ 16 and 6.93 economy.

 

[McLOVIN]

SR of 250+

 

[pcfan123]

Pollards IPL stats need a bit of salt. The batting was nothing to boast of and his bowling will not be as effective at the International level.