ok, i no theres probably a thread somewhere, stating what coaching to use when, but ive got no idea, i just wanna no when i shld use coaching and whether or not a youth player with a large asking price but not the same stats would get better with coaching thanks in advanced for the help!
icc 2005 help - coaching
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I was going to tell you to do a search, but I realized that I've never seen a thread with detailed ICC coaching advice.
I've never played ICC05 and I don't remember ICC06 very well, but here's what I can tell you.
To answer your second question first, yes a player can improve with technique coaching, but no, it's not worth paying over the odds for them. Offer what you think they're worth, and leave it at that. Cheap players improve just the same as greedy ones...
I suppose there are two kinds of coaching: practice and technique.
Practice raises form temporarily, subject to the following limitations (not sure if these limitations are the same in your version of course):
- it never raises form above about 70%
- it never raises form by more than 25%
- from below 50, it never raises form above 60
Also, it takes time to raise form, so if you've got a one-dayer starting today, practice won't help you with it at all. Subject to the above limitations, form goes up by around 1 or 2% per day of practice.
Practice has no permanent effect on player ability (at least I don't think it does)
Technique training has no effect on form, but it does (eventually) have permanent effects on a player's ability. It can take effect in a few days, but more often it takes months to have an effect. You will get a player message when your technique training bears fruit.
Technique training has less/slower effect the older the player is. At somewhere around age 27, the benefit diminishes to almost zero.
Players also improve their ability through experience. Even second team experience I think helps, although first team experience helps more, as the quality of teammates and opposition is a factor (I hope...).
Some recommendations therefore:
- if it's a few days to your next match, make sure all your coaching (and physio) points are allocated before hitting continue
- practice is wasted on players who are not selected
- make a list of youngsters in your squad who need technique training. Prioritize those who are selectable eg. perform well in second team, but whose first team stats are disappointing
- during limited overs campaigns, switch all your coaching points onto technique training on match day
- when players get injured or selected for their country, sometimes this frees up coaching and/or physio points, so double-check and reallocate whenever this happens
I don't play international-only careers, but if you do, I'm not sure what happens with coaching between series. I suppose when you don't have a current squad, no coaching is taking place. I'd prefer it if you could continue to coach and perform physio on players, provided their domestic team had not selected them or given them coaching or physio. Of course I'm 100% sure that will never be the situation in ICC05.
The other thing that's very important for getting players in form of course is the second team. I give all my players with form below 60 a run in second team. Even if their form is higher, you might want to select them in second team if they're currently a long way from first team selection. Of course, if their form is currently above zero, there's always a risk it could get worse rather than better, so rest a player whose current form is 'satisfactory'.
I used to think high-profile players would throw tantrums if selected in second team, but I'm fairly sure they don't.
I also used to think that the players you selected for second team had to contribute to a balanced team eg. not more than 5 specialist bowlers. But I'm pretty sure you don't have to worry about that either.
PS: From ICC09 onwards (not sure about 07/08 versions), the game allows you to specialize technique training to the player's specific weaknesses.
I've never played ICC05 and I don't remember ICC06 very well, but here's what I can tell you.
To answer your second question first, yes a player can improve with technique coaching, but no, it's not worth paying over the odds for them. Offer what you think they're worth, and leave it at that. Cheap players improve just the same as greedy ones...
I suppose there are two kinds of coaching: practice and technique.
Practice raises form temporarily, subject to the following limitations (not sure if these limitations are the same in your version of course):
- it never raises form above about 70%
- it never raises form by more than 25%
- from below 50, it never raises form above 60
Also, it takes time to raise form, so if you've got a one-dayer starting today, practice won't help you with it at all. Subject to the above limitations, form goes up by around 1 or 2% per day of practice.
Practice has no permanent effect on player ability (at least I don't think it does)
Technique training has no effect on form, but it does (eventually) have permanent effects on a player's ability. It can take effect in a few days, but more often it takes months to have an effect. You will get a player message when your technique training bears fruit.
Technique training has less/slower effect the older the player is. At somewhere around age 27, the benefit diminishes to almost zero.
Players also improve their ability through experience. Even second team experience I think helps, although first team experience helps more, as the quality of teammates and opposition is a factor (I hope...).
Some recommendations therefore:
- if it's a few days to your next match, make sure all your coaching (and physio) points are allocated before hitting continue
- practice is wasted on players who are not selected
- make a list of youngsters in your squad who need technique training. Prioritize those who are selectable eg. perform well in second team, but whose first team stats are disappointing
- during limited overs campaigns, switch all your coaching points onto technique training on match day
- when players get injured or selected for their country, sometimes this frees up coaching and/or physio points, so double-check and reallocate whenever this happens
I don't play international-only careers, but if you do, I'm not sure what happens with coaching between series. I suppose when you don't have a current squad, no coaching is taking place. I'd prefer it if you could continue to coach and perform physio on players, provided their domestic team had not selected them or given them coaching or physio. Of course I'm 100% sure that will never be the situation in ICC05.
The other thing that's very important for getting players in form of course is the second team. I give all my players with form below 60 a run in second team. Even if their form is higher, you might want to select them in second team if they're currently a long way from first team selection. Of course, if their form is currently above zero, there's always a risk it could get worse rather than better, so rest a player whose current form is 'satisfactory'.
I used to think high-profile players would throw tantrums if selected in second team, but I'm fairly sure they don't.
I also used to think that the players you selected for second team had to contribute to a balanced team eg. not more than 5 specialist bowlers. But I'm pretty sure you don't have to worry about that either.
PS: From ICC09 onwards (not sure about 07/08 versions), the game allows you to specialize technique training to the player's specific weaknesses.
well i never expected such a detailed reply thankyou so much, and just another little question, how do you no when technique coaching is enough and when using it on youth players shld i be keeping the technique coaching on them all year round??
For players whose stats are unsatisfactory, keep using it until their stats are satisfactory. Yes it might take years.
For players whose stats are good - even 'star' youngsters like (in ICC09) Stuart Broad or Craig Kieswetter - they might still benefit from training. Is it worth it? That's your judgment call.
If players don't improve, of course you're going to consider replacing them. If you can afford a better player of the same age, go for it. The only concern I would point out for the long term is if you allow your squad to age. Make sure you always have satisfactory replacements for those who retire. I think retirements come with little or no warning and at highly variable ages (don't forget Trescothick, Vaughan, Flintoff and the like in real life - some people seem to retire long before they would have stopped getting picked)
It's pretty dull around here at the moment (actually most of the time lol). If you wanted to post more about your squad etc., I'd be interested to hear it
For players whose stats are good - even 'star' youngsters like (in ICC09) Stuart Broad or Craig Kieswetter - they might still benefit from training. Is it worth it? That's your judgment call.
If players don't improve, of course you're going to consider replacing them. If you can afford a better player of the same age, go for it. The only concern I would point out for the long term is if you allow your squad to age. Make sure you always have satisfactory replacements for those who retire. I think retirements come with little or no warning and at highly variable ages (don't forget Trescothick, Vaughan, Flintoff and the like in real life - some people seem to retire long before they would have stopped getting picked)
It's pretty dull around here at the moment (actually most of the time lol). If you wanted to post more about your squad etc., I'd be interested to hear it
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ok, well im back after an absence, now i just finised a season and picked up 2 really good youth players, one and opening batsmen averaging 61 and one an offspin bowler averaging 21, now how should i go about coaching them, play them and see how they go or technique coach them and leave them in the second team
With those stats and no first team experience, they don't need technique training before they play. If they play a few games and don't seem to be getting the hang of the big boys' game, that would be the time for an extended technique clinic away from the team.
Of course, they can get technique training while they're in the team just as easily (well, almost) as while being rested or in 2nds. In fact I think it will be more effective with first-team experience at the same time.
Personally I would give the opener a game (preferably not opening or at 3 to start with) if he's in at least average form.
As I said before, I'd love to hear more about your squad. Hopefully you've got a regular spinner who's pretty good. You can pick two spinners if you like, but I wouldn't be picking the newbie over the veteran. Also, 2 spinners in a 4-man attack can be tricky - unless it's on a spin-friendly track. So you might want to play the rookie spinner in 2nds until his form is above average, and then wait for:
- a spin-friendly wicket;
- an injury, international callup or form slump to your other spin option(s);
- a one-dayer or T20 - or other situation where you are forced into having a 5-man attack
Of course, they can get technique training while they're in the team just as easily (well, almost) as while being rested or in 2nds. In fact I think it will be more effective with first-team experience at the same time.
Personally I would give the opener a game (preferably not opening or at 3 to start with) if he's in at least average form.
As I said before, I'd love to hear more about your squad. Hopefully you've got a regular spinner who's pretty good. You can pick two spinners if you like, but I wouldn't be picking the newbie over the veteran. Also, 2 spinners in a 4-man attack can be tricky - unless it's on a spin-friendly track. So you might want to play the rookie spinner in 2nds until his form is above average, and then wait for:
- a spin-friendly wicket;
- an injury, international callup or form slump to your other spin option(s);
- a one-dayer or T20 - or other situation where you are forced into having a 5-man attack
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ye my squads really good, its just that with youth players i get confused because, sometimes u get guys who average 50 odd in the second team who dominate then theres others who dont, same with bowlers, then i let them go and they dominate for other teams
