ICC updates Drug Code (FINALLY)

[RoboRocks]

If it is a coincidence then is quite an amazing one.
They only see each other when playing for Pakistan so unless someone in the Pakistan camp gave him something.

 

[Insomniac]

Yep, an amazing coincidence, isn't it?

If theres even 0.001% of a chance, then you never know - it could have happened

(Note in this case the chances are higher)

 

[andrew_nixon]

zMario - you can claim ignorance for players all you want, but the simple fact of the matter is that ignorance is no excuse. Can you imagine someone defending themselves in court by saying "oh I didn't know murder was against the law!" No of course not. Same applies here.

If a player doesn't find out everything that is in whatever he is taking, then he's an idiot, and deserves everything he gets.

 

[RoboRocks]

Well its a low percent chance and there is no playing safe in a case like this, there is no middle between gulity or not gulity to put a player in while investigating and until there is solid evidence to prove their innocence, I don't see Shoaib and Asif released from their bans.

 

[angryangy]

Also, there is only one way drugs get into the system. The body doesn't create them and certainly doesn't come from eating meat! I feel sorry for Pakistan fans, they've been let down many a time by their beloved players.

Actually, the body does, which is why many drugs are difficult to detect and also why appeals are possible. Anabolic steroids are derived from testosterone, the main male sex hormone (that is present in both men and women). The drug they tested positive for, nandrolone, occurs in very small quantities in the human body. For most such drugs, a positive test indicates that the level is much higher than what is natural.

zMario is correct in referring to eating meat, as nandrolone isn't detectable in urine. Instead, they look for a substance that is the result of the body processing nandrolone. Studies have shown that a high-protein diet combined with heavy cardio can cause a false positive.

However, it was evident that the incident was mishandled. The players were not required to prove that they hadn't taken the steroid and I'm not sure anyone really understands the process that did take place, where they were banned, then not banned, then "injured" then rendered immune to subsequent enquiry by international drug testing bodies.

 

[Insomniac]

zMario - you can claim ignorance for players all you want, but the simple fact of the matter is that ignorance is no excuse. Can you imagine someone defending themselves in court by saying "oh I didn't know murder was against the law!" No of course not. Same applies here.

If a player doesn't find out everything that is in whatever he is taking, then he's an idiot, and deserves everything he gets.

Murder is different from drugs.

If you grew up in a rural city of Pakistan, you would know exactly why Mohammad Asif cannot be blamed.

Fortunately for you, you didn't have to go through that.

This is why I hate plenty of western countries - you always take everything in your life for granted - like running water or cable / satellite Television.

For people in Sheikhapura, these things are a LUXURY.

Well its a low percent chance and there is no playing safe in a case like this, there is no middle between gulity or not gulity to put a player in while investigating and until there is solid evidence to prove their innocence, I don't see Shoaib and Asif released from their bans.

There's no solid proof they intentionally took the drugs, or EVEN IF THEY TOOK DRUGS.

Thank you for backing me up angryangry - as you can see, I did my research on Nandrolone. Unlike you guys, who think every drug can be found out from ****, you didn't do any research.

 

[andrew_nixon]

If you grew up in a rural city of Pakistan, you would know exactly why Mohammad Asif cannot be blamed.

Fortunately for you, you didn't have to go through that.

This is why I hate plenty of western countries - you always take everything in your life for granted - like running water or cable / satellite Television.

For people in Sheikhapura, these things are a LUXURY.

None of that has anything to do with it. It simply isn't a good excuse. Asif, poor upbringing or not, is a professional sportsman. If he doesn't find out everything about what is going into his body, then he's a moron, plain and simple.

 

[Sureshot]

Actually, the body does, which is why many drugs are difficult to detect and also why appeals are possible. Anabolic steroids are derived from testosterone, the main male sex hormone (that is present in both men and women). The drug they tested positive for, nandrolone, occurs in very small quantities in the human body. For most such drugs, a positive test indicates that the level is much higher than what is natural.

zMario is correct in referring to eating meat, as nandrolone isn't detectable in urine. Instead, they look for a substance that is the result of the body processing nandrolone. Studies have shown that a high-protein diet combined with heavy cardio can cause a false positive.

However, it was evident that the incident was mishandled. The players were not required to prove that they hadn't taken the steroid and I'm not sure anyone really understands the process that did take place, where they were banned, then not banned, then "injured" then rendered immune to subsequent enquiry by international drug testing bodies.

If that's the case then it must put into doubt many cases?

Why deny the B sample though? Why has there been a lack of support from major organisations who would know about the high protein diet? I sure haven't heard many people defend them.

 

[RoboRocks]

I haven't either apart from Mario here Sureshot.

 

[Will_NA]

Asif said he drank an energy drink, 4-5 times a day, given and recommended to him by the Leicestershire physiotherapist when he played for them in England in 2006. He was given them in May, and he stopped in September, when the Pakistani physio found out about it.

Nandrolone levels can become higher than normal if one eats lots of meats. That is a fact.

Also helps when you stuff tablets down your throat

 

[Leicester Fox]

It quite clearly has nothing to do with a leicester physio so i don't know why you're even bothering to mention him.

 

[PhilD123]

Asif - I can't - he never knew about it.

That is so naive! *I'll stop quoting the Kooks songs now* So you mean that while he was at Leicestershire or at a cricket side in Pakistan, he never had a routine drugs test? He will have done and so he will have known about drugs, ignorance is a poor excuse to be honest.

 

[Pak_cricketer]

I agree with zMario here, Akthar should've been banned early in his career. He should not even be selected. Never liked him after I saw Sami .

 

[evertonfan]

It's about time. I find it preposterous that these two disgraces to the game have gone unpunished. The ICC and PCB are completely and utterly spineless; Drug using sportsman should be made an example of, not let off scott-free. Warne had the same excuse as these two, he did his punishment and wasn't weasled out of it. Disgraceful.

 

[Sureshot]

The odd thing is evo that unofficially they have been punished, if like me you believe that their injuries during the WC which left them out of the squad weren't actual injuries. It's still not good enough mind. At least Warne admitted to taking drugs, I can respect someone who admits they've done wrong (obviously this excludes some things like murder, etc).