ICC updates Drug Code (FINALLY)

zmario said:
Actually it seems fair enough - you never intentionally took it. You never knew about it.

And thats what the PCB said.
So it's fair enough that someone can take drugs, making him better than everyone else, simply because he's only just realised that he took them? That the playing level shouldn't be even?

zmario said:
But there was a law in place - the Australian Sports Drug Ban (or something of the sort)
How could there be no law in place if they were banned in the first place?

Meanwhile I just read this article, how disgusting that anyone can have the audacity to speak such bull:

Cricinfo Staff said:
Shoaib also said that the doping controversy, during the Champions Trophy last year, was one of the toughest periods in his life. "My own countrymen shunned me, with some even refusing to look at me. It was a terrible period. Everybody's body mechanism isn't the same and certain levels are higher in my body compared to others.

"My hormone level fluctuates. I didn't take drugs to enhance my performance. I don't need to. I don't know why I was treated so badly. The test didn't show I was an evil person. I've always been misunderstood. I've never seen myself bigger than the game."
FULL ARTICLE: http://content-aus.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/300765.html

Shoaib is a disgrace to the game and I'm glad that people shunned him after that. He deserved a lot more than he got.
 
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He grew up there, and from the sounds of it, you didn't.

How do you know where I've grown up and where I haven't?

What makes you say that I have never visited Pakistan before? Do you know me as well as you know Mohammad Asif and Shoaib Akhtar and the entire population of Sheikhapura?

If you visted Pakistan, you would understand EXACTLY what kind of life Asif had, and his background.


YOu seem like you are best friends with Mohammad Asif, if you know that he didn't know what drugs were. And why is Asif the only one who's been given this mysterious drug by Leicestershire? And why wouldn'tthey explain what it is before giving it to him? Don't you think that they might have explained about the drug first? Would you take anything your coach gave you without a single question?


Do you think that the PCB didn't ask all of those questions to their players? And they came out with satisfactory answers?


To add to that, and your previous claim that there is no education about drugs in Pakistan from the PCB, perhaps the constant drug tests may have tipped Asif off to the fact that there is such thing as a steroid or banned substance. Or even the newspaper? Are you saying that Asif has never heard of anyone using drugs before as well? Does your friendship with him tell you that? Perhaps he watched the Olympics? Or heard about it from a teammate? There's no way he lived under a rock and hadn't heard of drugs at all, ever.

What CONSTANT DRUG TESTS? The first one for him was in late September / early October in 2006 - the one which said he had nandrolone in his body



That I would become a drug cheat and then claim innocence by ignorance (which is not a defense for anything by the way)? How do you know so much about my alternate lives as well? Personally I would have asked what the container of pills was before I took it.

It WAS NOT a container of pills - it was an ENERGY DRINK given by the Leicester physio.


Which one? The unintentional one, the unaware one, the meat one or the strange county drug that no one else has been found guilty of taking at that county or anywhere else?
Again, you speak as if you are Asif's best friend and know everything about him.

You speak as if you are a WADA representitive who personally handled Akhtar and Asif's urine.

He denied knowing about it, just as Asif did, but you believe one person and not the other? And Warne got banned for that, Shoaib and Asif didn't. That's the whole point. There is no excusable situation fro taking drugs, except, accoridng to you, being Pakistani.

Akhtar's meat excuse isn't very believable, but it COULD be true. He hasn't ever needed to take drugs in his career, and hes going towards the end - so why start now?

And now you're starting the racism debate - I never said that because they are Pakistani they can take drugs. Please quote me on that. If not, stop typing bull in the computer.

There's a positive drug test that says that they took them, and for goodness sake, who unintentionally does drugs? I'll bet you believed Shane Warne when he said his mum gave him the steroids. Oh wait, I forgot, he's Australian, so you didn't.

Once again, you're starting the racism thing all over, He's aussie, blah blah blah. Of course, most people do stay Australians are racist - look at the VB Series of 06 - SA and SL touring Australia - how much RACIST ABUSE they suffered from the fans - like you.

Oh, and the drugs test was a FALSE POSITIVE FROM THE ENERGY DRINK.

Unfortunately, Asif has been playing cricket, he was playing well against South Africa on Pakistan's tour of the Proteas last year.

Yep, he was.

Finally ,even if we say that he didn't know what drugs were, that he had no idea that he was taking them, that he was eating a lot of meat and all of your other excuses, that doesn't change anything, because....

HE TOOK DRUGS. HE DESERVES TO BE PUNISHED. END OF STORY.

Can you blame a person who wasn't as fortunate as me and you to be educated enough about it?

There is no excuse, not even ignorance. If someone is arrested for dealing or taking drugs in the streets, they don't get off because they didn't know it was against the law, or that they didn't know they were taking drugs.


If we are speaking about countries such as the USA and Canada and England and Australia, then that theory is correct. EVERYBODY has been taught drugs are bad, etc.

Things due to this incident are changing fast in Pakistan, fortunately - and this will never happen again (hopefully)

So it's fair enough that someone can take drugs, making him better than everyone else, simply because he's only just realised that he took them? That the playing level shouldn't be even?

How could there be no law in place if they were banned in the first place?
But did they ever play with the drugs?

Asif and Akhtar will be tested, no doubt at the Twenty20 Championships - if they pass the test there, what is your comment?

Akhtar played ONE day of cricket with traces of nandrolone.

Asif played a bit more, but with less or no traces of nandrolone.

You seem to know a lot about the Pakistan team's inner workings Zmario, did you recently play for them? :p

Listen, whether intentional or not, they both took the drugs. They're both grown adults and had heard of the existence of drugs (if not from society, the media, education, then surely from Shane Warne's incident..again, im not saying Nandrolene, but drugs in general). If Asif was from a very innocent society, then how did he acquire them? Surely it couldn't have been openly sold. He must've gotten them from a really secluded or small place. When you buy stuff like this from that kind of a source, you have to do a lot of research on it and know what you're taking not only because it can be drugs, but what if its something that could harm him worse. He had a physio along with a team of experts that work in sports medicine. He should've consulted them to see if it was legal before starting it. It's just not smart to start an unknown product if you're an international cricketer. The reason why performance enhancers are banned is because they're unnatural and unfair. Both Asif and Shoaib were unfair, whether intentional or not. And their ignorance isn't completely PCB's fault. It's the player's duty to consult professionals on what they're taking is legal by international standards - it's called responsibility. Nandrolone is a steroid that occurs naturally in the body, just like any steroid. However, its found in really small amounts. The amount set by most sports, including cricket, is 2 ng/ml from what I know. Believe me, no one can have that much nandrolone without taking the steroids. It's not human to produce that much. If you're saying that they didn't take it, it's not true and no one out of pakistan will believe you. If you're pleading innocence because of ignorance, it's still their fault for not consulting anyone before taking them. They're professional cricketers, they need to be more responsible. They're lucky to have been given another chance. I wouldn't have given it to them if I was in charge.

As far as Warne's concerned, why is he still playing again? I hate that guy. You shouldn't be allowed to get away with performance enhancers, its ridiculous!
Nandrolone can be excessively produced if one eats lots of meats, and Akhtar said he was eating lots of meats, something CONFIRMED by various experts.

Asif drank an energy drink, given to him by the Leicester physio, WHO CONFIRMED HE GAVE IT.

"My hormone level fluctuates.

Now thats not even funny - if true, which if so, would explain a lot.
 
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zmario said:
Once again, you're starting the racism thing all over, He's aussie, blah blah blah. Of course, most people do stay Australians are racist - look at the VB Series of 06 - SA and SL touring Australia - how much RACIST ABUSE they suffered from the fans - like you.
I have never made a racist comment in my life you moron and I brought up loyalty to your country not racism. You are defending them because they are Pakistani.

zmario said:
Can you blame a person who wasn't as fortunate as me and you to be educated enough about it?
I am not saying that things weren't harsh but how on earth does someone get to his mid 20s without having heard about drugs at all? No oen takes steroids without knowing something about it. He may have grown up in a poor city but he doesn't live there now, he has a good life, and as I said before, which you never countered, he must have heard about drugs in other places while being an international cricketer. Maybe even about Shane Warne?

It is simply ridiculous to suggest that growing up in a poor town means that you have never learnt about what a drug is when you are now a highly paid cricketer for an international side.

And as for how I know you weren't born there, you couldn't even confirm that he did grow up there, you said you think.

zmario said:
But did they ever play with the drugs?

Akhtar played ONE day of cricket with traces of nandrolone.

Asif played a bit more, but with less or no traces of nandrolone
You just answered your own question. And for the last time I will ask you:
How do you know that they had no nanoldrone while they were playing and how do you know that Asif didn't know what drugs were? His city of birth is not an answer.
 
zmario, Mohammed Asif is a professional sportsman. If he doesn't find out what is going into his body, he is an idiot. Poor upbringing or not, he's still an idiot. He can blame no one but himself. He cheated. Accept it, get over it.
 
zmario, Mohammed Asif is a professional sportsman. If he doesn't find out what is going into his body, he is an idiot. Poor upbringing or not, he's still an idiot. He can blame no one but himself. He cheated. Accept it, get over it.
Andrew, I will personally pay for you to come to Pakistan, and stay here for 10 days.

I'll take you around, and show you, exactly what these guys go through every day. Its very difficult to explain, if you have never gone to Pakistan, and seen what these poor youngsters go through.

I am not saying that things weren't harsh but how on earth does someone get to his mid 20s without having heard about drugs at all? No oen takes steroids without knowing something about it. He may have grown up in a poor city but he doesn't live there now, he has a good life, and as I said before, which you never countered, he must have heard about drugs in other places while being an international cricketer. Maybe even about Shane Warne?

How should I know where he heard about drugs and where he didn't? He didn't have a drug test till September 2006. He trusted those who you guys say he should have consulted - the county physio and the Pakistan physio. The Pakistan physio stopped him from taking the energy drink once he found out about it. The Leicester physio gave him the energy drinks.



It is simply ridiculous to suggest that growing up in a poor town means that you have never learnt about what a drug is when you are now a highly paid cricketer for an international side.

I am sure now he knows what drugs are, but before hand, he HAD JUST COME IN to the side.

He didn't have a central contract (with Pakistan)till July, and then he started making real money.

And as for how I know you weren't born there, you couldn't even confirm that he did grow up there, you said you think.

I can confirm he did grow up there then.


You just answered your own question. And for the last time I will ask you:
How do you know that they had no nanoldrone while they were playing and how do you know that Asif didn't know what drugs were? His city of birth is not an answer.


They were drug tested in February. Shoaib Akhtar had 2.1 mg of Nandrolone, the limit is 2.0 Asif had 1.8 mg.
 
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Mohammad Asif isn't a poor youngster any more though, he's a professional sportsman! As a professional sportsman, it is his duty to keep a check on what enters his body. He wasn't careful enough.
 
I hope they both get career ending injurys because they shouldn't be playing cricket anyway. The Leicester physio has nothing to do with it, your clutching at straws desperately. Accept the fact that their cheats. Warnes a cheat, he did his punishment. Afridids a cheat, he did his (iirc :p) so why shouldn't these 2 be punished.
 
I hope they both get career ending injurys because they shouldn't be playing cricket anyway. The Leicester physio has nothing to do with it, your clutching at straws desperately. Accept the fact that their cheats. Warnes a cheat, he did his punishment. Afridids a cheat, he did his (iirc :p) so why shouldn't these 2 be punished.
But the Leicestershire physio admitted to it.

Read the PCB report - he admitted to giving Asif the energy drink, without knowing what was in it.

Mohammad Asif isn't a poor youngster any more though, he's a professional sportsman! As a professional sportsman, it is his duty to keep a check on what enters his body. He wasn't careful enough.
He just started getting paid real money in July 2006, when he got a central contract - before, it was just small match fees
 
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Andrew, I will personally pay for you to come to Pakistan, and stay here for 10 days.

I'll take you around, and show you, exactly what these guys go through every day. Its very difficult to explain, if you have never gone to Pakistan, and seen what these poor youngsters go through.

How many times do we have to tell you that this is no excuse. Poor upbringing or not, he's a professional sportsman, and hence if he does not find out what is going into his body, he is an idiot.
 
So how did Shoaib take it too, shock horror coincidence of the century, oh my god! Trust it to happen to make some Pakistan players innocent too!
 
How many times do we have to tell you that this is no excuse. Poor upbringing or not, he's a professional sportsman, and hence if he does not find out what is going into his body, he is an idiot.
To you, it isn't an excuse. Because you have NEVER seen his upbringing. I've seen what people like him had to go through.

There is a BIG difference in what you have seen in your life, and what I have seen.

So how did Shoaib take it too, shock horror coincidence of the century, oh my god! Trust it to happen to make some Pakistan players innocent too!
I said earlier, Shoaib and Asif are not currently friends or anything of the sort. They both had completely different excuses, which checked out with the PCB.
 
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with the PCB, they couldn't be ever so slightly biased could they?
 
To you, it isn't an excuse. Because you have NEVER seen his upbringing. I've seen what people like him had to go through.

There is a BIG difference in what you have seen in your life, and what I have seen.


I said earlier, Shoaib and Asif are not currently friends or anything of the sort. They both had completely different excuses, which checked out with the PCB.

Upbringing has NOTHING to do with it! How many times!!!

He's a professional sportsman... he should know what's going into his body!!
 
To you, it isn't an excuse. Because you have NEVER seen his upbringing. I've seen what people like him had to go through.

There is a BIG difference in what you have seen in your life, and what I have seen.

Yes there is a big difference between what I, you and Mohammed Asif had to go through. That has nothing to do with anything.

He is a professional sportsman, and hence if he doesn't pay attention to what goes into his body, he is an idiot.
 

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