ICC updates Drug Code (FINALLY)

[andrew_nixon]

He trusted the Leicester physio... Shouldn't the coaching staff know what they're giving their players?

Yes they should. And Asif should know what is in his body. If a physio gives him something, he should find out what it is. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

 

[playkid12]

He took Cocaine.

Hm...I heard that he did that to cover up the steroids or something...I could be wrong, the media really loves to twist stories and i dont really follow warnie..

This really reminds me of the South Park episode where they speak out against the steroids against mark mcguire and other baseball players lol...

 

[Vcassano]

Regardless of whether they intentionally took steroids both players deserve a ban of equal length to Warne. Both were found to have the illegal substance nandrolone in their system and thus should be punished.

Of course they are going to protest their innocence - they don't want their reputation tainted as cheats. They may claim to have circumstantial reasons for their positive sample but Warne also claimed this and was banned.

Edit: Did Warne really take Cocaine? Any source for this, just out of interest, because I thought he took the diuretic (Allegedly for weight loss) to cover up performance enhancing drugs.

 

[playkid12]

Zmario:

You're really funny man. One time, you say that they got an 'energy drink' containing nandrolone from some physio in leicester (sp?). And another time, you say that they didn't take anything and that much can occur in the body naturally. Can you make up your mind man? As far as the second part of that, I looked it up on wikipedia. And I quote.


"Urine analysis as a method of detecting nandrolone abuse has recently become somewhat controversial, following studies by the University of Aberdeen showing that the metabolite product can also show up in urine in quantities above the upper limit from a combination of high-protein diets utilising the legal nutritional supplement creatine and hard cardiovascular exercise. The reason for this unexpected result has not been determined. Another possible (though unlikely) reason for a false positive result is the consumption of beef from cattle treated with steroids including nandrolone (used in overturning the verdict against the bobsleigh racer, Lenny Paul). Heavy consumption of the essential amino acid lysine (as indicated in the treatment of cold sores) has also shown false positives in some and was cited by American Shotputter C.J. Hunter as the reason for his positive test. A final possible cause of incorrect urine test results is the presence of metabolites from other anabolic steroids. As a result of the numerous overturned verdicts, the testing procedure was reviewed by UK Sport [1] in 2000."

So, it can occur naturally. However, this brings me back to what you said about nandrolone and the physio, so they obviously took the drug. Whether out of ignorance or not. If they did take the drug from that physio's advice, that physio should be fired. As far as Akhtar and Asif, I don't know. I don't know if I would personally research an 'energy drink ' if a professional team physio would give me it because that guy is supposed to be a professional...however taking the steroids WAS unfair to everyone else. I'm guessing a small ban for a few months or max a year would be appropriate.

 

[smssia0112]

To you, it isn't an excuse. Because you have NEVER seen his upbringing. I've seen what people like him had to go through.

There is a BIG difference in what you have seen in your life, and what I have seen.


I said earlier, Shoaib and Asif are not currently friends or anything of the sort. They both had completely different excuses, which checked out with the PCB.

Where is he now though? Now he needs to be responsible. His upbringing was history, NOW he's a professional sportsman and he should know better.

Regardless of whether they intentionally took steroids both players deserve a ban of equal length to Warne. Both were found to have the illegal substance nandrolone in their system and thus should be punished.

Of course they are going to protest their innocence - they don't want their reputation tainted as cheats. They may claim to have circumstantial reasons for their positive sample but Warne also claimed this and was banned.

Edit: Did Warne really take Cocaine? Any source for this, just out of interest, because I thought he took the diuretic (Allegedly for weight loss) to cover up performance enhancing drugs.

He took a diuretic, anything else is speculation.

 

[Vcassano]

He took a diuretic, anything else is speculation.

Yeah that's what I thought, I just wondered where he'd heard this...

 

[Insomniac]

Yeah that's what I thought, I just wondered where he'd heard this...

Somebody said that he took cocaine before I said it in this thread

Zmario:

You're really funny man. One time, you say that they got an 'energy drink' containing nandrolone from some physio in leicester (sp?). And another time, you say that they didn't take anything and that much can occur in the body naturally. Can you make up your mind man? As far as the second part of that, I looked it up on wikipedia. And I quote.


"Urine analysis as a method of detecting nandrolone abuse has recently become somewhat controversial, following studies by the University of Aberdeen showing that the metabolite product can also show up in urine in quantities above the upper limit from a combination of high-protein diets utilising the legal nutritional supplement creatine and hard cardiovascular exercise. The reason for this unexpected result has not been determined. Another possible (though unlikely) reason for a false positive result is the consumption of beef from cattle treated with steroids including nandrolone (used in overturning the verdict against the bobsleigh racer, Lenny Paul). Heavy consumption of the essential amino acid lysine (as indicated in the treatment of cold sores) has also shown false positives in some and was cited by American Shotputter C.J. Hunter as the reason for his positive test. A final possible cause of incorrect urine test results is the presence of metabolites from other anabolic steroids. As a result of the numerous overturned verdicts, the testing procedure was reviewed by UK Sport [1] in 2000."

So, it can occur naturally. However, this brings me back to what you said about nandrolone and the physio, so they obviously took the drug. Whether out of ignorance or not. If they did take the drug from that physio's advice, that physio should be fired. As far as Akhtar and Asif, I don't know. I don't know if I would personally research an 'energy drink ' if a professional team physio would give me it because that guy is supposed to be a professional...however taking the steroids WAS unfair to everyone else. I'm guessing a small ban for a few months or max a year would be appropriate.

What I was saying is that THE ONLY THING Asif took that could make Nandrolone appear in his body was the energy drink.

If it wasn't that, then it happened naturally.

Akhtar - I have no idea - but he said his hormones fluxuate, so I'm guessing that it indeed happened naturally.

Either way, I trust my country's cricketers to the fullest, till they admit somethings wrong. Because I remember something else - Asif and Akhtar are Muslims...

 

[playkid12]

Either way, I trust my country's cricketers to the fullest, till they admit somethings wrong. Because I remember something else - Asif and Akhtar are Muslims...

...so is bin laden....what's your point? You can't possibly be this ignorant and racist...All groups of people are the same...Does Islam not teach you that? I bet you trusted all of your 'country's cricketers' right through the match fixing scandal and still blindly believe that they're innocent. You, sir, need a reality check. ...no one, NO one, can be trusted like that.

And as far as Nandrolene is concerned, the test is 99% correct. It does create false positives. But when TWO of the players of the same department of the same team test positive for it twice, it only points to them doing the drug. You really can't get much more evidence than that. I wouldn't put it past either to do it, especially Shoaib. Dont you dare refute this by saying that Asif and Akhtar are only 'acquanitences,' because to my knowledge, you haven't played for Pakistan, nor do you know the inner workings of the team. :happy

 

[Will_NA]

Hm...I heard that he did that to cover up the steroids or something...I could be wrong, the media really loves to twist stories and i dont really follow warnie..

This really reminds me of the South Park episode where they speak out against the steroids against mark mcguire and other baseball players lol...

Judging by his physique, he didn't take enough

Somebody said that he took cocaine before I said it in this thread


What I was saying is that THE ONLY THING Asif took that could make Nandrolone appear in his body was the energy drink.

If it wasn't that, then it happened naturally.

Akhtar - I have no idea - but he said his hormones fluxuate, so I'm guessing that it indeed happened naturally.

Either way, I trust my country's cricketers to the fullest, till they admit somethings wrong. Because I remember something else - Asif and Akhtar are Muslims...

So, Muslims will blow up buildings but they won't take banned substances?

 

[Sureshot]

What I was saying is that THE ONLY THING Asif took that could make Nandrolone appear in his body was the energy drink.

People do lie about things you know, you sound quite young and naive. Will and playkid, be careful treading on that water.

 

[Animator!]

Once and for all stop the ridiculous arguement that because Asif was born into poverty it's a lack of education that's brought him to having been tangled up in this. I know tens of people who grow up in considerable poverty, they still know what drugs are, how they look, what they do and what they're in.

Face it, they did take something. It's ridiculous to say they didn't. It can occure naturally, but as the wikipedia article says through a high protein diet and heavy cardio work. Whilst I believe that they could possibly be having high potein diets, I heavily doubt that they were training on a cardio vascular level of that of Olympic distance runners. However if Shoaib or Asif turn up at Beijing, I'll eat my words gladly.

They're obviously not going to admit to it. They can clearly get away with it because of the way the PCB will handle it. Everyone will defend them against the truth to ridiculous margins until everybody realises that they just cannot get the two players or the PCB to see sense so they will give up.

Hopefully both these players when they retire will be regarded as a good bowler and possibly a great bowler but who both broke the rules.

They both broke the rules, it doens't matter whether it was deliberate or accidental. They broke the rules. No exceptions otherwise it would encorague players to take drugs and then blame it as an accident. They deserved to be banned.

For the record I honestly believe they did both take drugs. It fits Shoaib's selfish character and I believe he influenced a young lad who looks up to him.

 

[Will_NA]

People do lie about things you know, you sound quite young and naive. Will and playkid, be careful treading on that water.

I know how it sounded and I apologise if i seems as though I am generalising a religion. I'm not but zMario said they are Muslims as if Muslims won't do drugs but if someone can drive a burning car into an Airport, what's to stop him taking drugs.

Anyway, best not to go down the religion route.

 

[Animator!]

You cannot use their religion as proof they didn't lie. Priests are supposed to do the work of god, but they're are many how profile cases of Child molesting and drug use stemming from them. Nobody will live their life without lying. I can garantee that now.

 

[RoboRocks]

What ever the events leading up to the situation, as I said above Asif and Akthar are banned until proven guilty.

 

[smssia0112]

Somebody said that he took cocaine before I said it in this thread


What I was saying is that THE ONLY THING Asif took that could make Nandrolone appear in his body was the energy drink.

If it wasn't that, then it happened naturally.

Akhtar - I have no idea - but he said his hormones fluxuate, so I'm guessing that it indeed happened naturally.

Either way, I trust my country's cricketers to the fullest, till they admit somethings wrong. Because I remember something else - Asif and Akhtar are Muslims...

Are you actually Mohammad Asif? Because you seem to know his history, whe he was drug tested, what he took, and also who he is friends with off the field.

You have made about 10 excuses for each person, firts you said that Akhtar was on a high protein diet, now you say it happened 'naturally' (which is the worst excuse for taking drugs mentioned here). You are so incredibly trustworthy of the worst characters, you will not get very far in life trusting drug cheats because they were poor as a child, or because their 'hormones fluctuate.'

And what does being a Muslim have to do with anything? THAT is racist, because you are labelling one religion more trustworthy than another.