It's just not cricket

[King Pietersen]

I happen to enjoy watching the IPL, for about a week and a half. After that it's just overkill as far as I'm concerned. The T20 WC had just enough games to not get stale. The IPL has a ridiculous amount of games, and they're actually increasing that amount this year iirc. If they chopped the number of games down I'd enjoy watching it far more. 60 games is ridiculous overkill. Made worse when in the UK we had to listen to the idiotic thoughts of Ronnie Irani, probably what helped put me off the competition.

 

[Leggie]

IPL FTW :banana2

Don't like it - Don't watch it. No one's forcing you to watch it. It's not like someone's making you sit in front of the TV with tape on your eyelids forcing you to watch it.

 

[Skater]

IPL FTW :banana2

Don't like it - Don't watch it. No one's forcing you to watch it. It's not like someone's making you sit in front of the TV with tape on your eyelids forcing you to watch it.

It has an affect on real cricket, too, though.

 

[Eon]

Yea the T20 WC was good... if you arent australia haha... not a good tournment for as, but we have never been good at T20

 

[Ollie_H]

Complaing like you are doing really isn't going to concern Lalit Modi. I follow it and watch a bit of it, it does get annoying when everytime they hit a six, it's called a DLF Maximum and then there were the 'tactical breaks', the only tactic in that was to get Modi some more money.

I have nothing really against it, yes it is annoying but it's here to stay and complaing isn't going to do much when it is so successful.

 

[Leggie]

It has an affect on real cricket, too, though.

To what extent? If you're on about players' techniques and mentalities being carried over from T20 Cricket to Test Cricket, then that's their decision.

I agree, I hope T20 Cricket doesn't force the need to abolish 50 Over Cricket and players' priorities should be their countries, but for all those negatives you will find for the IPL, there are as many positives.

 

[iridescentt]

To what extent? If you're on about players' techniques and mentalities being carried over from T20 Cricket to Test Cricket, then that's their decision.

No were on about how the IPL is forcing tours to shorten because of it's time (ie. The upcoming NZ Vs. Australia series). Thats what were on about.

 

[shravi]

I just read the first page and I knew it was the same thing that I've heard so many times already.

FTR, it was me, .Mob and Cricketman who started the 'UV! KING OF SIXERS! KING OF HATTRICKS! KING OF T20!'. I've said this before somewhere and I'll say it again. We didn't actually think he was the king of anything. We were just over-exaggerating on purpose. Some people took it too seriously, Indians and non-Indians. It's easy to point fingers when you don't know the truth.

 

[Howsie]

IPL FTW :banana2

Don't like it - Don't watch it. No one's forcing you to watch it. It's not like someone's making you sit in front of the TV with tape on your eyelids forcing you to watch it.

Again, it's about turning the international game into second best. Read my first post in this thread, I can't be stuffed writing it again.

Howsie added 2 Minutes and 11 Seconds later...

To what extent? If you're on about players' techniques and mentalities being carried over from T20 Cricket to Test Cricket, then that's their decision.

I agree, I hope T20 Cricket doesn't force the need to abolish 50 Over Cricket and players' priorities should be their countries, but for all those negatives you will find for the IPL, there are as many positives.

Would you care to list a few

 

[Chetan0304]

LOL BCCI rules ! ! !

It's money who actaully speaks, players get what the want. Money



Let's not have it every year in a time span of 2 years? or maybe 3?

 

[shravi]

Would you care to list a few

Pros
- Although there are quite a few promising stars in domestic cricket, they aren't given the exposure they deserve. Although it is T20 cricket, and although I agree it may not be the best format to showcase your talent and bid for a spot in the national team, it's something. I think those emerging players (e.g. Virat Kohli, Ajinkya Rahane, Cheteshwar Pujara) are delighted about the prospect of playing in the IPL.
- Those same young players get a chance to play with some of the world's finest players (Indian and non-Indian). Not only play with them but possibly extract some very useful tips that could help them with their game and later on in their careers. To boot, it's not as if this only applies to young Indian players. I'm pretty sure Moises Henriques benefitted from being around Saurav Ganguly and Graham Napier from being around Sachin Tendulkar, for example.
- If it wasn't the IPL, something else would have come up, simply due to the popularity of T20 cricket, and maybe it would have been on a scale of similar size as well. If not for the IPL, perhaps some of the West Indies players would retire prematurely out of spite and because they're tired of waiting. It's also pushing cricket up the ladder in that such salaries were unheard of earlier and this in turn is pushing cricket closer to sports such as football (NOTE: I said closer).
- Although many may not think so, it can get people who were previously unaware of cricket, into it. However, any T20 competition would suffice for this but maybe it's more appealing to some that players of different nationalities are playing together on one team.
- In a way, it has forced the BCCI to improve the quality of India's stadiums/grounds, at least aesthetically, if not the pitches.

I'm sure there are more but I can't think of them right now.

 

[Howsie]

Pros
- Although there are quite a few promising stars in domestic cricket, they aren't given the exposure they deserve. Although it is T20 cricket, and although I agree it may not be the best format to showcase your talent and bid for a spot in the national team, it's something. I think those emerging players (e.g. Virat Kohli, Ajinkya Rahane, Cheteshwar Pujara) are delighted about the prospect of playing in the IPL.
- Those same young players get a chance to play with some of the world's finest players (Indian and non-Indian). Not only play with them but possibly extract some very useful tips that could help them with their game and later on in their careers. To boot, it's not as if this only applies to young Indian players. I'm pretty sure Moises Henriques benefitted from being around Saurav Ganguly and Graham Napier from being around Sachin Tendulkar, for example.
- If it wasn't the IPL, something else would have come up, simply due to the popularity of T20 cricket, and maybe it would have been on a scale of similar size as well. If not for the IPL, perhaps some of the West Indies players would retire prematurely out of spite and because they're tired of waiting. It's also pushing cricket up the ladder in that such salaries were unheard of earlier and this in turn is pushing cricket closer to sports such as football (NOTE: I said closer).
- Although many may not think so, it can get people who were previously unaware of cricket, into it. However, any T20 competition would suffice for this but maybe it's more appealing to some that players of different nationalities are playing together on one team.
- In a way, it has forced the BCCI to improve the quality of India's stadiums/grounds, at least aesthetically, if not the pitches.

I'm sure there are more but I can't think of them right now.

So it only benefit's Indian cricket then. I know it's an Indian tournament but it's affecting the international game.

To boot, it's not as if this only applies to young Indian players. I'm pretty sure Moises Henriques benefitted from being around Saurav Ganguly and Graham Napier from being around Sachin Tendulkar, for example.

Agree with this, but how many young players like Henriques actually played in the IPL. Napier's 30 iirc.

And too say something else would of come around doesn't make sense, the ICL did come around and it was quickly dimissed as a rebel league. You also brang up the fact that it's increasing salaries, you can look at this as a bad thing to. The IPL paid Brendon McCullum for example more money in three weeks then he would make in 3-4 years for NZ. If international cricket get's in the way of the IPL we will see player's deciding to play in the IPL, the NZ players have already said it will become a problem in the future if something isn't done about it.

For as many bad things you can think of, someone will always mention the good things. But for me (A NZ fan) I think their are far more bad things then good things in the IPL (The concept/how it's run/etc)

 

[ZoraxDoom]

You forgot to mention that thanks to the IPL, we can see Warne vs. Sachin again, or Warne bowling to Gilly, or Kumble to Sachin, or even Botha to Smith.

Also, these players can finally earn a living comparable to other athletes thanks to the IPL.

 

[shravi]

Agree with this, but how many young players like Henriques actually played in the IPL. Napier's 30 iirc.

Well, they can be fairly established players in the national set up and still be young (e.g. Ross Taylor and Jesse Ryder). But I guess you were talking about unestablished players. I'll have a look.

- George Bailey
- Ryan Harris (admittedly, he's quite old but age isnt that big a deal for Australian selectors)
- Dwayne Smith (lost his place in the West Indies team but impressed in the IPL. Not enough to get a call back but potentially very lucrative)
- Andrew McDonald (not so young, but he's hardly established. Admittedly, he didn't play a single game but I'm sure he benefited in some way, financially and otherwise)
- David Warner
- Yusuf Abdulla
- Burt Cockley
- Shaun Marsh (probably the biggest one)
- Luke Pomersbach
- Moises Henriques
- Angelo Matthews
- Ryan McLaren
- Rob Quiney

I left out players such as JP Duminy because you weren't looking for examples like that. However, I do remember reading an interview in which he said it's been absolutely fantastic being around The Little Master, or something along those lines and that he's learnt a fair bit.

 

[Howsie]

Well, they can be fairly established players in the national set up and still be young (e.g. Ross Taylor and Jesse Ryder). But I guess you were talking about unestablished players. I'll have a look.

- George Bailey
- Ryan Harris (admittedly, he's quite old but age isnt that big a deal for Australian selectors)
- Dwayne Smith (lost his place in the West Indies team but impressed in the IPL. Not enough to get a call back but potentially very lucrative)
- Andrew McDonald (not so young, but he's hardly established. Admittedly, he didn't play a single game but I'm sure he benefited in some way, financially and otherwise)
- David Warner
- Yusuf Abdulla
- Burt Cockley
- Shaun Marsh (probably the biggest one)
- Luke Pomersbach
- Moises Henriques
- Angelo Matthews
- Ryan McLaren
- Rob Quiney

I left out players such as JP Duminy because you weren't looking for examples like that. However, I do remember reading an interview in which he said it's been absolutely fantastic being around The Little Master, or something along those lines and that he's learnt a fair bit.

I just can't see how that's a good thing. The IPL is paying players (That aren't that good) way too much money. These young guys are probably going to work on their 20/20 game more so then working on becoming a good test/FC player.

I know a lot of people like the IPL and I'm not trying to rubbish it (I don't mind it tbh, a few things bug me though). But the IPL will do a lot more damage to cricket in NZ, and the West Indies then good.

And not trying to offend fan's of Dravid (Ryder and Taylor both play on his team) but I feel they would learn a lot more by playing test match cricket against Australia (Early 2010) then going of and spending a month playing circus cricket with the greats of our game.