Mohammad Asifs "B" sample positive for steroids

[Insomniac]

lol...So you think that Doctors do not study Steroids?
That was Hilarious.
A Sports Doctors is not one who knows Steroid better than general physician.
Sports Physicians/Sports Doctors specialize in musculoskeletal conditions, such as back problems, knee injuries and fractures.

A Physiotherapist who works with cricket teams never learn Steroids in their lives.

In Asif's case a Sharp Lab technician can help more than any sports doctor or general physician.

Let me repeat myself, since I think you have decided to skip through what I said. The experts who have studied steroids and drugs all their life.

I never mentioned a sports doctor / physician, neither a physiotherapist.

Let me make this slightly clearer to you. I am sure that somebody, (like a Sharp Lab technician) who has studied most of their career on drugs and steroids is more knowledgable in this field than a general physician (if that is, what you are)

 

[Highlander999]

He broke the rules, get over it, zMario!!! Stop trying to defend him

 

[sohum]

It's pretty simple. If the amount found in his samples was above the permissible amount specified by WADA, then it doesn't matter how many studies anyone brings up. Studies are not rules, they are research documents. Laws may be based on studies, but studies are not laws.

 

[Insomniac]

I am not even talking about Asif.

I could care less what happens to him, at the moment. Pakistan has the bowlers to replace him, and hopefully they will be a little bit away from controversy than Asif (and hopefully will perform better for Pakistan and will actually take pride in playing for Pakistan and not cheat)

I am challenging Vaibhav's statement that 6.0 is too much for a cricketer, but too little for other sports.

WADA has nothing to do with it, take out the 2.0 limit.

The reason being, is that 100,000 is a "cheating level" as defined by the studies. Now if we accept this to be true, then it makes 6.0 look very low and almost miniscule to do anything...

 

[Sureshot]

But 6.0 is far higher than the human body could ever produce in natural circumstances.

 

[vaibhav mehta]

Let me repeat myself, since I think you have decided to skip through what I said. The experts who have studied steroids and drugs all their life.

I never mentioned a sports doctor / physician, neither a physiotherapist.

Let me make this slightly clearer to you. I am sure that somebody, (like a Sharp Lab technician) who has studied most of their career on drugs and steroids is more knowledgable in this field than a general physician (if that is, what you are)

Gosh! You don't need to repeat yourself and let me make this more clear to you that General Physician(MD,MBBS in Asian countries) knows steroids better than any other specialists.
Any Surgeon does his work in operation theater and send patient to GP for drugs.
There is no specialty on earth who knows Drugs better than a general Physician.So Practically there is no person on earth who is more knowledgeable in the field of steroids than a general Physician.

I told that in Asif's case a sharp Laboratory technician( pathologist) can help more because only He can give the explanation about readings and Sample A and B as a general Physician has nothing to do with samples.
There is no field in medicine who studies steroid whole life or who knows steroids better than a general Physician.


On other note WADA's limit clearly indicate that anything over 2.0 ng per ml should be a result of exogenous intake of steroids.

 

[Insomniac]

Gosh! You don't need to repeat yourself and let me make this more clear to you that General Physician(MD,MBBS in Asian countries) knows steroids better than any other specialists.
Any Surgeon does his work in operation theater and send patient to GP for drugs.
There is no specialty on earth who knows Drugs better than a general Physician.So Practically there is no person on earth who is more knowledgeable in the field of steroids than a general Physician.

I told that in Asif's case a sharp Laboratory technician( pathologist) can help more because only He can give the explanation about readings and Sample A and B as a general Physician has nothing to do with samples.
There is no field in medicine who studies steroid whole life or who knows steroids better than a general Physician.


On other note WADA's limit clearly indicate that anything over 2.0 ng per ml should be a result of exogenous intake of steroids.

I wasn't talking about a medical field regarding steroids...

 

[smssia0112]

If you're not talking about Asif then that's enough. If you're not trying to defend him here but are just arguing for argument's sake then I, and everyone else, have had more than enough.

I will be closing this thread if I don't see a reason to leave it open soon.

 

[angryangy]

I am not even talking about Asif.

I could care less what happens to him, at the moment. Pakistan has the bowlers to replace him, and hopefully they will be a little bit away from controversy than Asif (and hopefully will perform better for Pakistan and will actually take pride in playing for Pakistan and not cheat)

I am challenging Vaibhav's statement that 6.0 is too much for a cricketer, but too little for other sports.

WADA has nothing to do with it, take out the 2.0 limit.

The reason being, is that 100,000 is a "cheating level" as defined by the studies. Now if we accept this to be true, then it makes 6.0 look very low and almost miniscule to do anything...

And 6.0 ng is still 15 times what studies point to be a normal level in humans. I could take one aspirin or I could take 10, it doesn't mean that if I take only one I don't have a headache.

All the quote said is that considering the levels that have been tested in some athletes, then the obvious conclusion is that they were taking extra quantities of the drug at the time of the test. There's nothing to argue about. It doesn't even say that it is normal; it only suggests it has happened once. It doesn't tell you if that athlete was so muscle bound he couldn't scratch his own bum. For the purpose of this discussion it may as well not be from a study, because it's just an anecdote, just an observation. There is no set dosage for drug cheating and considering anabolic steroids aren't known to cause a narcotic-like overdose, the sky is effectively the limit.

The other factor is that even if two people take the exact same dosage and have the exact same body chemistry, timing means everything. If one takes a single dose a month before a test, he might expect to test negative, while if the other takes a dose and then has a test the next day, he will certainly test positive. They've taken the same quantity, but only one gets caught. This is why drug tests are often randomised, because if everyone knows when they are going to be tested then the smart ones won't be caught.