The End Of Australian Dominance?

[Highlander999]

I think this is the Ashes all over again. Australia were humiliated in 05 by England and the same thing recently happened with South Africa in Aus. After the 05 Ashes, Australia went away and made sure that they won the Ashes back in style. The same has happened here. Australia have looked superb against South Africa so far. They apparently need a kick up the arse every few years to get them into the fighting mode. Shame it had to happen just before the 09 Ashes...............

 

[smssia0112]

This is what us Aussies have been trying to tell you - we have depth, we just needed to take action! Our selectors were fools not to take action during the home summer and it showed in our performances. Now that we've cleared away the deadweight in Symonds, Hayden and Lee we're performing again. Siddle, Hilfenhaus, North and Hughes have all been revelations. McGain is more than capable of being our number 1 spinner and needs to get the chance in the 3rd test.

 

[dhayalan]

Australians can never do this against Indians.

 

[WORLD CHAMPIONS]

Australians can never do this against Indians.

Really ?? :

 

[IloveGilly]

No one likes the Indian conditions there, if they did replay over there, I reckon Australia would give them a run for their money.

Always felt Australia were still the best side in the world, just a slump where they need to rebuild.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

India are always tougher against Australia.


This reminds me of how SL steamrolled India after India delt with Aus. RSA are playing the same way, very lax, very lazy. No intensity. Like it doesn't matter. India did the same thing. I think they both raise their game when they feel they have a chance of re-writing history...

 

[deerkick]

If Australia had their current team I don't think we would've won 2-0. Cameron White was pretty much useless and although Krejza took the wickets, by the team he had finishes we had way too many runs. Lee was also not bowling at his best.

Johnson and Siddle are looking really good ATM. The only thing the Aussies couldn't do well was the reverse swing. I think the current Aussie team vs the current Indian test team would be a good match-up, with Australia taking the edge with batting and maybe bowling (in India, India wins cause of the spinners, anywhere else it's Australia's probably).

 

[Cricketdude]

India are always tougher against Australia.


This reminds me of how SL steamrolled India after India delt with Aus. RSA are playing the same way, very lax, very lazy. No intensity. Like it doesn't matter. India did the same thing. I think they both raise their game when they feel they have a chance of re-writing history...

Of course. We didn't really care about India and South africa at home but we we raised our game recently because we feel like had a chance of rewriting history. :

 

[ZoraxDoom]

I didn't say Aus raised their game. Although they have. I just said RSA have slipped.

 

[Cricketdude]

I didn't say Aus raised their game. Although they have. I just said RSA have slipped.

You were saying how RSA only wants to win the big matches. How about the world cup for a change?

 

[valvolux]

Australians can never do this against Indians.

Hmmm but we did thump you in australia. Mind you that was a different team we fielded there - the one we have now is far stronger in my opinion.

I reckon the Aussies should just ditch the specialist spinner all together - besides Warne there really hasn't been a spinner in yonks who would consistently go and bowl out teams on the 5th day....Murali could as well..but his team was not often in a postion to win on the 5th day! All the English commentators (I watched a lot on skysports) harp on about how we dearly miss a good spinner.....we just miss warne...but the thing is...no other team has gone out and got a warne after he left...so its not like other teams have an advantage.

England was highly successful all over the world in 04/05 with an all out pace attack and GIles - who simply did a holding job. As with SA andOf course we always pump them in Australia!

 

[ZoraxDoom]

India have two in Bhajji and Mishra. Pak have Kaneria. Bangladesh are pretty much all spin with Hasan, Enamul Haq, Razzak(before he was banned), Naeem Islam, etc. Sri Lanka have Murali and Mendis. NZ have Vettori. Lot of sides have a class spinner in their attacks. WI have just unearthed Benn (And they had Dave Mohammed, Jaggernaut and Miller, who were all decent too), and England are finding Panesar and Swann to be pretty good. Even RSA have Harris, who does the holding job if not much else. So yea, Aus do need a spinner. If they've got a pace-quarter good enough, great, but a spinner is always handy.

 

[King Pietersen]

Graeme Swann's actually a class off-spinner. He gets drift that I've not seen from an English spinner for a long,long time, and he does turn the ball. He looks a constant wicket-taking threat against all-comers, and I think he could have a great career. Just amazed he wasn't picked earlier, suppose it's one of the few success stories from the Peter Moores era.

 

[sohum]

Hmmm but we did thump you in australia.

Thump is not exactly the verb to use to describe that Australian victory. It was tooth-and-nail all the way and could have been different given the Sydney test.

Also, barring South Africa who just won the series down under, India is the only team to have consistently challenged Australia home and away over the last decade.

 

[Jakester1288]

Hmmm but we did thump you in australia. Mind you that was a different team we fielded there - the one we have now is far stronger in my opinion.

I reckon the Aussies should just ditch the specialist spinner all together - besides Warne there really hasn't been a spinner in yonks who would consistently go and bowl out teams on the 5th day....Murali could as well..but his team was not often in a postion to win on the 5th day! All the English commentators (I watched a lot on skysports) harp on about how we dearly miss a good spinner.....we just miss warne...but the thing is...no other team has gone out and got a warne after he left...so its not like other teams have an advantage.

England was highly successful all over the world in 04/05 with an all out pace attack and GIles - who simply did a holding job. As with SA andOf course we always pump them in Australia!

India have two in Bhajji and Mishra. Pak have Kaneria. Bangladesh are pretty much all spin with Hasan, Enamul Haq, Razzak(before he was banned), Naeem Islam, etc. Sri Lanka have Murali and Mendis. NZ have Vettori. Lot of sides have a class spinner in their attacks. WI have just unearthed Benn (And they had Dave Mohammed, Jaggernaut and Miller, who were all decent too), and England are finding Panesar and Swann to be pretty good. Even RSA have Harris, who does the holding job if not much else. So yea, Aus do need a spinner. If they've got a pace-quarter good enough, great, but a spinner is always handy.

You two talk about Harris for South Africa and Giles for England doing a 'holding job'. To me that seems very similar to what Hauritz does, but to be honest I would want to keep out an attacking option like Lee, Johnson or Siddle for him. He he was good enough to bat top 7 in test matches, I'd be prepared to fit him in, but until we find a genuine, wicket taking spinner we should just stick with all paceman and Clarke, Katich, Symonds/North etc providing the slow stuff.