Why can't India produce quality fast bowlers when Pakistan can?

[CerealKiller]

Every country has someone who will steer the team into future

Australia - Smith
England - Root
India - Kohli
New Zealand - Williamson
South Africa - Quinton De Kock, Faf, ABD as long as he plays
Sri Lanka - Matthews and Chandimal although ODI team lacks depth
West Indies - Brathwaite, Bravo

I see only Azhar Ali in test and Malik in ODI's currently. Sharjeel Khan was an awesome talent a much needed opening batsman but unfortunately he decided to waste his talent not trust it and go down the match fixing way.

So you are saying that SL and WI have a brighter future than Pakistan?
What about Babar Azam, Asad Shafiq, Sarfraz Ahmed etc. ?

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

So you are saying that SL and WI have a brighter future than Pakistan? LOL
What about Babar Azam, Asad Shafiq, Sarfraz Ahmed etc. ?

Nope never said SL and WI have brighter future, said they have some one to rely on. According to me based on brighter future Pakistan is way ahead.

 

[CerealKiller]

How come you forget the legend, Ishant Sharma? Jk, Kapil Dev, Javagal Shrinath, irfan Pathan, Bhuvi Kumar, Mohammed Shami, Umesh Yadav and the latest Jasprit Gumrah.

Half of them have played less than 30 tests. Bumrah hasn't even played one.
India has produced just two or three great fast bowlers (Kapil Dev, Zaheer Khan, Javagal Srinath). Pakistan has produced Imran, the two Ws, Shoaib Akhtar, Sarfraz Nawaz, Asif and Amir, who both destroyed their careers.
If you want to compare it to batting, then we have had many world class batsmen (Hanif Mohammad, Zaheer Abbas, Javed Miandad, Mohammad Yousuf, Younis Khan etc. )

 

[AliB]

I'd like to add Tamim, Iqbal to the list Parth posted. He's the only B'desh player who scored centuries in all formats.

 

[CerealKiller]

Nope never said SL and WI have brighter future, said they have some one to rely on. According to me based on brighter future Pakistan is way ahead.

I think we have batsmen to rely on as well.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Are you on drugs? You are saying that we never produced an international standard batsman in recent years? Well, i'll make you a list of batsmen who played in the last ten years and are not only international standard, but also good players. Hard to believe, right?

• Younis Khan
• Misbah-ul-Haq
• Mohammad Yousuf
• Inzamam-ul-Haq
• Azhar Ali
• Asad Shafiq
• Shoaib Malik
• Babar Azam
• Haris Sohail
• Sarfraz Ahmed

Nope not on any drugs dont do that. The last few in the list havent hit big in international arena except Ali, Shafiq & Malik I agreed. I never mentioned Yousuf because he was a selfish player and that is purely on my opinion. Inzi bhai who can forget him I forgot to name him. Again I am talking about recent years where Pakistan have failed to nurture batsman who would be called reliable. I only see reliability as I mentioned in Malik for ODI's & Ali for Test. I would be happy to be proven wrong by Ahmed, Azam, Sohail. A healthy in form and good Pakistan team is only good for World Cricket as we are soon going to lose Sri Lanka and West Indies as I dont see any talent coming in which is international standard especially Sri Lanka. West Indies might be a hit or miss in Limited over formats but I dont see that in Sri Lanka at all.

Now again dont kill me with drugs I am a Pakistan supported vs non Indian matches and will continue supporting them (Except they play NZ)[DOUBLEPOST=1492673920][/DOUBLEPOST]

I'd like to add Tamim, Iqbal to the list Parth posted. He's the only B'desh player who scored centuries in all formats.

Shakib Al Hasan is a champ remember number 1 all rounder.

 

[CerealKiller]

I never mentioned Yousuf because he was a selfish player and that is purely on my opinion.

He is a selfish person, agreed, but selfish batsman? No way.

He is a selfish person because he thinks that lesser players than him (Misbah, Afridi) have received more respect (izzat) than him.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

You do realise Younis averaged the same as Sachin and higher than Kohli don't you?

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Do you read post or just bash? I mentioned Younis and I am talking about reliability for future, Younis and Misbah are going to create a lot of vaccum once they retire past this upcoming series. They were just not batsman but they were seniors, the guide was equally important. What you want me to say?

Gisshhh social media is such a weird place, you cannot given an opinion without hurting someones arse. I dont care about averages or whether Younis had same as Sachin or Virat and how the heck can I compary Virat and Younis? Two different generations makes no sense. So please either contribute to posts and give your opinion or stay away from being butt hurt. @CerealKiller pointed out few facts and we discussed, but if you start comparing players without making sense I am out

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

He is a selfish person, agreed, but selfish batsman? No way.

He is a selfish person because he thinks that lesser players than him (Misbah, Afridi) have received more respect (izzat) than him.

Then probably my image of him got better of it. I have always imagined him as a selfish player and yes Misbah and Afridi should get more respect. Misbah specially as he picked up his team from a deadky match fixing scandal just like Ganguly and built what Pakistan is today

 

[Fake Passport]

With similar conditions and pitches, why can't India produce fast bowlers like Pakistan?

You can talk about other reasons and what I suggest isn't exclusive, but you now have a generation of players that grew up in their formative years, where batsmen were, almost literally, idolized.

It stands to reason that more of the population grew up wanting to be batsmen, hence the quality of batting was better which disillusioned bowlers as there wasn't the balance that allowed bowlers to excell.

Much the same as Warnie here in Australia, for a long time there wasn't a huge amount offspinners

 

[aditya123]

Although the basis for stereotypes is correct in most cases, this one has lived past its sell-by date, IMO. Pakistan used to traditionally produce a lot of good fast bowlers. However, its no longer true. Post Mohammed Asif and Amir (circa 2010), I can`t think of one Pakistani fast bowler who is any different to the Indian fast bowling breed. In fact, arguably, post the Wasim-Waqar-Shoaib era, Indian fast bowlers have won India more games than their Pakistani counterparts. Also, currently, man for man, India have a more skilled pace attack than Pakistan. Shami, Umesh, Bhuvi and even Ishant have been much better than their Pakistani counterparts in Aamir, Wahab, Sohail and co.

 

[RichomanTigers]

Although the basis for stereotypes is correct in most cases, this one has lived past its sell-by date, IMO. Pakistan used to traditionally produce a lot of good fast bowlers. However, its no longer true. Post Mohammed Asif and Amir (circa 2010), I can`t think of one Pakistani fast bowler who is any different to the Indian fast bowling breed. In fact, arguably, post the Wasim-Waqar-Shoaib era, Indian fast bowlers have won India more games than their Pakistani counterparts. Also, currently, man for man, India have a more skilled pace attack than Pakistan. Shami, Umesh, Bhuvi and even Ishant have been much better than their Pakistani counterparts in Aamir, Wahab, Sohail and co.

What have you been smoking? Wahib and amir are far more skilled and far better bowlers than anyone India have on the last decade

 

[asprin]

Don't take the bait, don't take the bait.

 

[Targaryen]

Just to contribute to this discussion, what the thread is all about? Just as you asked the question of why can't India produce quality fast bowlers when Pakistan can. I would like to ask these couple of questions: Why can't Pakistan produce the quality spinners when India can? And why can't they produce the quality batsmen when India can?

I do agree that Pakistan have produced some quality batsmen in the past but it is not the case currently. While India is still producing and will produce the quality batsmen. India have produced the spinners ahead of seamers. India has the no.1 spin attack in the world which can't be said to the other Asian countries.

When Pakistan can produce such spearheads then India can produce players like Rohit, Virat, Dhoni, Yuvraj etc.. who can counter such seam attack. Every team has its own history and advantage with regards to the quality of cricket they play. Pakistan is producing seamers, India is producing Spinners and Batsmen, Australia is producing All-rounder and Seamers etc...

While India have produced some quality seamers in the past and present namely: Javgal Srinath, Venkatesh Prasad, Zaheer Khan, Bhuvi, Shami, Yadav etc.. Not that they have failed to produce better seamers than Pakistan but they have succeeded in producing some good bowlers alongside worldclass batsmen and spinners.

 

[RichomanTigers]

Just to contribute to this discussion, what the thread is all about? Just as you asked the question of why can't India produce quality fast bowlers when Pakistan can. I would like to ask these couple of questions: Why can't Pakistan produce the quality spinners when India can? And why can't they produce the quality batsmen when India can?

I do agree that Pakistan have produced some quality batsmen in the past but it is not the case currently. While India is still producing and will produce the quality batsmen. India have produced the spinners ahead of seamers. India has the no.1 spin attack in the world which can't be said to the other Asian countries.

When Pakistan can produce such spearheads then India can produce players like Rohit, Virat, Dhoni, Yuvraj etc.. who can counter such seam attack. Every team has its own history and advantage with regards to the quality of cricket they play. Pakistan is producing seamers, India is producing Spinners and Batsmen, Australia is producing All-rounder and Seamers etc...

While India have produced some quality seamers in the past and present namely: Javgal Srinath, Venkatesh Prasad, Zaheer Khan, Bhuvi, Shami, Yadav etc.. Not that they have failed to produce better seamers than Pakistan but they have succeeded in producing some good bowlers alongside worldclass batsmen and spinners.

Saqlain Mushtaq, mushtaq Ahmed, saeed ajmal, Danish kindred are all elite while shah is tracking to be the best spinner in the world.