Will spin really be important in this tournament?

[TumTum]

You put a lot of medium pace bowlers into the top list.

BTW where did you get it from? lol

 

[Chewie]

It's hard to define medium pace really. I just used cricinfo and excel...

 

[TumTum]

It's hard to define medium pace really. I just used cricinfo and excel...

Must have taken you ages. I think an obvious one is Watson and a few associate bowlers.

Could you remove all the bowlers that do not belong in a Test playing nation? It's just that their fast bowlers suck so much that their spin bowlers always have more success irrespective of the conditions.

 

[Robelinda]

Spin has always been important in the WI, for ever. Even during the 80's. WI pitches were never fast.

 

[Chewie]

Well that gets rid of half the spinners because of Zimbabwe... And Watson bowls over 135 which is my cut off for a medium pacer...

Chewie added 1 Minutes and 2 Seconds later...

Nannes		3	0	20	1	6.666666667	
Lee		4	1	13	1	3.25	
Johnson		4	0	23	4	5.75	
Watson		2	0	34	1	17	
Rasel		4	0	33	0	8.25	
R Hossain	3	0	18	1	6																							
Mills		3	0	15	1	5	
Southee		2	0	11	1	5.5	
Butler		2	0	7	1	3.5	
Asif		3	0	26	0	8.666666667	
Aamer		4	0	13	1	3.25	
Razzaq		3	0	11	0	3.666666667	
		37		224	12	6.054054054	18.66666667
							
							
							
Hauritz		2	0	24	0	12	
Smith		3	0	22	0	7.333333333						
Islam		3	0	13	0	4.333333333	
Al Hasan	3	0	27	0	9	
Razzak		2	0	7	1	3.5	
Ashraful	1	0	4	0	4						
McCullum	4	0	25	3	6.25	
Vettori		3	0	33	0	11	
Hafeez		4	0	16	1	4	
Ajmal		3	1	12	1	4	
Afridi		3	0	11	1	3.666666667	
		31		194	7	6.258064516	27.71428571
							
Christian	2	0	29	0	14.5						
Mortaza		4	0	27	1	6.75	
Botha		1	0	15	0	15	
Oram		3	0	17	1	5.666666667	
Styris		3	0	31	1	10.33333333	
		13		119	3	9.153846154	39.66666667

Chewie added 2 Minutes and 0 Seconds later...

Must have taken you ages. I think an obvious one is Watson and a few associate bowlers.

Could you remove all the bowlers that do not belong in a Test playing nation? It's just that their fast bowlers suck so much that their spin bowlers always have more success irrespective of the conditions.

Technically I could argue that the Non test playing nation's batsmen can't cope with the pace and therefore play spin better and therefore I should only include those from games not involving non-test playing nations.

 

[TumTum]

Technically I could argue that the Non test playing nation's batsmen can't cope with the pace and therefore play spin better and therefore I should only include those from games not involving non-test playing nations.

Hehe I thought of that after I replied But we are talking about bowlers so it is more complicated if you talk about the batsmen.

Seriously where did you get those stats from? Did you individually collect them from every match or..?

 

[Chewie]

Yea I got them from each match. Only took 10 minutes or so.

 

[McLOVIN]

How does it show that? It has only been 4 matches and just because the teams batting 1st won doesn't mean anything.

BTW just because the pitch is slow doesn't mean the spin bowlers will benefit and the pace bowlers will not. Look at the bowling figures again.

But with that 4 matches, you can conclude that spin wont be important in this tournament.. Double standard much?

And if the pitch is slow and low it will help the spin bowlers. Do you really know anything about spin bowling?

MacLovin added 1 Minutes and 46 Seconds later...

Spin has always been important in the WI, for ever. Even during the 80's. WI pitches were never fast.

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[TumTum]

F-OFF you are not ending my thread lol

But bowling stats are different, look at the list Chewie provided, there are many stats, but only 4 stats for the matches, that is the difference.

 

[War]

Spin has always been important in the WI, for ever. Even during the 80's. WI pitches were never fast.

Well i guess only Barbados & Jamaica where the pacy pitches in the windies. Guyana, Trinidad & Antigua where indeed fairly slow. Two famous incidents such as:

- The Holding over to Boycott @ Bridgetown 1981

- Gatting being hit on the nose @ Jamaica 1986

Aid in the increase of that myth.

 

[Robelinda]

Even that Boycott over wasnt that fast, the footage is clear enough. Plus Boycott was hardly the most at ease player against fast bowling, his mantra was to be at the end the fast bowler aint! And it was only one over, what happened in the 2nd over? Nothing. Most of the balls were good length outside off stump, one or two bouncers, no big deal really. No commentary either that tour, so the footage is kinda odd.

Gatting? Well Gooch hit Mark Waugh the face in 94 during the Ashes with his mediums, anyone can get hit. McDermott copped a similar blow to Gatting in 91 in a tour match, cut him up good, pitch was slow and he hooked too early! Even Srinath got Ponting in 99! 125kms!

 

[TumTum]

Love you Vettori and McCullum

 

[McLOVIN]

I will laugh at your face, when the OZ 4 way pace fails!

 

[irottev]

It will obviously have it's importance, but it won't be nearly as important as what people are making out. As the tournament goes on and the pitches get a bit lower and slower it very well could start being a bigger thing.

 

[TumTum]

It will obviously have it's importance, but it won't be nearly as important as what people are making out.

That's why I made this thread. They are making it sound as if spin will play a bigger role than it did in the IPL.